Spain shoots at jet skiers.... ?

chinita said:
It doesn't.

I did not quote the total number of people crossing the border each day - just the number of Spaniards, and there are still 4,700 crossing whether your daughter lives in La Linea or Lulworth.

There could be 10 million Moldovians crossing each day for all I know.

But, the issue is that this Panorama Website stated that it was a threat to Gibraltarians which, clearly, it is not as Gibraltarians (in the main) are not crossing twice a day.
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So it's ok to zap non gibraltarean brains?
 
Erm, where did I say it was ok to zap ANY brain???

I have no idea of the efficacy of the Death Ray or who may have the misfortune to be exposed to it. I am just challenging the hype that this is a threat to Gibraltarians - as voiced on the Panorama Newsdesk item. The numbers speak for themselves. The Spanish will bear the brunt of the zapping.

It took me about four goes to make VO5 understand this. Am I going to have to do it all over again!
 
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For all those Doubters about "if gunshots were fired"....YES THEY WERE

Europe Minister David Lidington has told the House of Commons that Britain continues to press Spain for an explanation to the recent shooting incident in British Gibraltar territorial waters.

“We have made clear that the discharge of a weapon in Gibraltar is completely unacceptable,” Mr Lidington said in a statement to the Commons.

“We are urgently seeking a full explanation from Spain.”

Mr Lidington was responding to questions from Labour MP David Crausby, who asked what steps had been taken after a Guardia Civil officer fired shots while chasing a local man on a jet ski.

“We have protested formally to Spain in the strongest terms following reports by the Royal Gibraltar Police that Spanish Guardia Civil illegally pursued a jet ski in British Gibraltar territorial waters on 23 June and fired non-lethal shots,” Mr Lidington said. “I spoke directly to Spanish Minister Iñigo Mendez de Vigo on 25 June and our charge d’affaires in Madrid was sent in to the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs to reiterate the formal protest.” The Prime Minister raised the incident with the Spanish Prime Minister on 28 June.”
 
chinita said:
Erm, where did I say it was ok to zap ANY brain???

I have no idea of the efficacy of the Death Ray or who may have the misfortune to be exposed to it. I am just challenging the hype that this is a threat to Gibraltarians - as voiced on the Panorama Newsdesk item. The numbers speak for themselves. The Spanish will bear the brunt of the zapping.

It took me about four goes to make VO5 understand this. Am I going to have to do it all over again!
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There is something you may not understand or even appreciate, which is the deeply ingrained resentment held over Gibraltar by the far right in Spain.
The far right has been seething for more than 70 years at the idea of a people stubbornly refusing to fall in with their plans and therefore every difficulty at any opportunity put in Gibraltar's path emanates from this deeply ingrained obsession. They are in a state of a permanent huff at the idea we refuse to be ruled by them and reject the idea not just involving sovereignty but rejecting Spanish nationality or even conceding Spanish as the prime language for our territory. They persistently perpetuate the fanciful notion we would be better off under Spanish rule :D The reality is that we persistently resist. It makes them furious. This fury makes them unstable. Therefore, in this red fog of theirs, every Gibraltarian becomes a potential target. All we want is a quiet life, and not the persistent unwanted attentions of an unsuitable suitor. It is a bit like being stalked all the time by some obsessed nutty tart one does not want.:rolleyes:
And this obsessed nutty tart frantically pursues the object of her obsession in daylight and in the darkness of night.
The nutty tart may or may not carry a stiletto in her handbag, is the problem.
 
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MASH said:
And it isn't just the Spanish who suffer from this blinkered, self-righteous unstable fury is it?
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How do you mean ?

We don't want to be ruled by Spain.
We don't want to change our nationality.
We don't want our way of life interfered with.
We don't want change.
We want to remain the way we are.
We don't want to be persistently pestered and aggravated.
So what is blinkered and self righteous about it ?
Their fury is unstable. We are firm in our resolve. And that is the difference.
 
VO5 said:
How do you mean ?

We don't want to be ruled by Spain.
We don't want to change our nationality.
We don't want our way of life interfered with.
We don't want change.
We want to remain the way we are.
We don't want to be persistently pestered and aggravated.
So what is blinkered and self righteous about it ?
Their fury is unstable. We are firm in our resolve. And that is the difference.
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VO5, you know exactly what I mean.

I support most those aspirations but suspect that neither the Gibraltarian nor the British cause is furthered by characterising as "firm in our resolve" some of the irrational, inaccurate, deluded and totally one-sided messianic rantings here that would seem more appropriate in the Lounge...
 
SamanthaTabs said:
4 Spanish military jets blast across runway (Daily Mail, Internet news).
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The daily hate online that I've just examined made NO mention of "blasting across runway", merely "passing close to the rock", which could equally well have been to the N, S, E, or W and at almost any distance, though witnesses seem to suggest it was close.

Still, no sense in letting facts get in the way of good hyperbole!
 
Post in haste, repent in anyway.. you're right on my missuse of blasting bit but still shouldn't have been there and delayed flight. Will ask daughter later, both her apartment and workplace have clear runway views :)
 
The Daily Wail report actually said. 'Entered Gibralter Airspace'. If this is correct, and no contact was made to the air traffic control at Gibraltar this is very serious. It will be a matter of fact after the radar records are checked and I think it unlikely that the ATC would have made the statement without having checked. Having operated an airport once (albeit a small one) so I do have some experience then this would be considered a very major safety issue.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355814/Gibraltar-fury-Spanish-military-jets-fly-airspace-delay-British-Airways-plane-waiting-London.html
 
SeamanStaines said:
The Daily Wail report actually said. 'Entered Gibralter Airspace'. If this is correct, and no contact was made to the air traffic control at Gibraltar this is very serious.
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It seems not to be correct. This from my link above:
In a statement, Headquarters British Forces said the BA flight was “…held on the runway for approximately 12 minutes by Air Traffic Control in Seville to allow Spanish aircraft to pass by in Spanish air space.”
“There is no evidence to suggest that the aircraft flew into Gibraltar air space,” it added.

Perhaps we could persuade Spain to accept The Mail in lieu of Gib?
 
macd said:
It seems not to be correct. This from my link above:
In a statement, Headquarters British Forces said the BA flight was “…held on the runway for approximately 12 minutes by Air Traffic Control in Seville to allow Spanish aircraft to pass by in Spanish air space.”
“There is no evidence to suggest that the aircraft flew into Gibraltar air space,” it added.

Perhaps we could persuade Spain to accept The Mail in lieu of Gib?
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I am suitably admonished, I should really know better than to have believed a word in it. For years I could never work out why I was always so angry on a Sunday until I finally worked out that I used to get up, walk to the coffee shop, by the Sunday Wail and read it. By mid morning I was ready to murder someone!
 
I'm getting the impression that there are elements in Gibraltar who are looking to hype things up in an effort to keep the whole Gib/Spain question high on the political agenda.

Perhaps they should be looking to find ways to live with Spain? The status quo can't last forever and a pin prick bit of empire really isn't sustainable in the long run. Whether next year, or in 100years, eventually it will have to be returned to Spain.
 
Rigger Mortice said:
I'm getting the impression that there are elements in Gibraltar who are looking to hype things up in an effort to keep the whole Gib/Spain question high on the political agenda.

Perhaps they should be looking to find ways to live with Spain? The status quo can't last forever and a pin prick bit of empire really isn't sustainable in the long run. Whether next year, or in 100years, eventually it will have to be returned to Spain.
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The Link above shows the Gibraltar reporting in the Chronicle. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with GIB! Gibraltar is British, will always be British and has NOTHING to do with Spain. We do work everyday with the Spanish People and La Linea. it is the Fascist elements of the Madrid Government that are the isssue. You really should get a grip.....the People of Gibraltar will decide for ourselves!
 
Nautorius said:
The Link above shows the Gibraltar reporting in the Chronicle. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with GIB! Gibraltar is British, will always be British and has NOTHING to do with Spain. We do work everyday with the Spanish People and La Linea. it is the Fascist elements of the Madrid Government that are the isssue. You really should get a grip.....the People of Gibraltar will decide for ourselves!
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I'm fully aware of the fact that the Daily Wail is not Gibish.

I do however see the tenor of some of the reports that come from Gib and the tenor of some of the posts here, and my view is probably a lot more dispassionate that those. The idea that Gib will "always be British" is frankly absurd. The sun set on the empire long ago and, whether the Gibraltarians like it or not, the time will come when the British public simply won't want to be bothered with the place. When that happens the residents will have to make some difficult decisions.

It would be much better all round if the Gibraltarians were to find a way to live, work and exist with Spain, rather than posing as little Englanders who are attempting to repel all boarders. (or should that be "borders"?).

In the long run the present arrangement is not sustainable. Eventually it will have to change.
 
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