Rigger Mortice
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I.o.W is a dreadful example for you to make your point. It is part of UK, not a part of a distant empire. Unlike Gib.
You have made my point very well.
Spain shoots at jet skiers.... ?
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I.o.W is a dreadful example for you to make your point. It is part of UK, not a part of a distant empire. Unlike Gib.
You have made my point very well.
Seajet
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Rigger Mortice,
oh I dunno; while I happen to think Gib should stay British, I've noticed the Isle Of Wight residents say " over there in England " - I told a crew about this before a sail, he didn't believe me until the chap on the Cowes fuel barge said exactly that.
Meanwhile as I'm a photographer I'd given said crew a 10 X 8" ' Euro passport ' photo, he actually believed that one.
2nd_apprentice
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double standards?
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SamanthaTabs
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Anyone who has actually spent time in Gibraltar; immersed themselves in the community and made friends locally know what a proud people they are.
A far as "giving" Gib to Spain really? Perhaps Argentina would like the Fauklands back then? Denmark the Faroe Islands, Netherlands, curaçao... The British sovereign base in Cyprus, et al. (Thanks to the RAF was evacuated at a tender age!)
You "u turn" if you'd like to, this lady is not for turning.
A far as "giving" Gib to Spain really? Perhaps Argentina would like the Fauklands back then? Denmark the Faroe Islands, Netherlands, curaçao... The British sovereign base in Cyprus, et al. (Thanks to the RAF was evacuated at a tender age!)
You "u turn" if you'd like to, this lady is not for turning.
zzyyxx
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What nonsense is this? We don't have Gibraltar to give! The sodding thing is a tax-wart more than anything.
Like Andorra to the French, Cueta to the Spanish, Monaco to the French, Andorra to the Spanish, San Marino to the Italians, Switzerland to Europe, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Luxembourg, all of them festering boils on civilisation.
The US has them too, like a ring of haemorrhoids around it's anus.
Like Andorra to the French, Cueta to the Spanish, Monaco to the French, Andorra to the Spanish, San Marino to the Italians, Switzerland to Europe, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Luxembourg, all of them festering boils on civilisation.
The US has them too, like a ring of haemorrhoids around it's anus.
SamanthaTabs
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Sounds like a line out of the film Matilda! Ultimately there are multiples here who give opinions and or advice on situations they know nada about, a learning curve for all?!
Not sure who first said "don't knock it until you've tried it" but it works!
Not sure who first said "don't knock it until you've tried it" but it works!
capnsensible
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The Isle of Wight is part of the UK. Gibraltar is part of the UK. Not sure which part of this you cannot understand. Actually.
capnsensible
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Um, yes we do and no we aren't going to.
macd
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Well, you're half right: IoW is part of the UK. Gib is not: it's a British Overseas Territory.
Hope you can understand all parts of that.
macd
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Some would say the same of Manchester. But without argument, that would be empty ranting, too.
capnsensible
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OK I will settle for the facts that the Queen is on the sterling banknotes, my passport has The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland written on it with Gibraltar underneath it and the Treaty of Utrecht ceded the territory to Britain in perpetuity.
Sorry for any confusion.
MASH
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There is no possibility whatsoever of Gib being "given back" to anyone until the good people there vote to do so and we all know how likely that is.
It is a fatuous concept anyway as Spain has no claim whatsoever on Gib. The Treaty of Utrecht made it so. End of.
We could go round half the world re-allocating territory to people who owned it 300 years ago, but why stop there? If we go back 500 years we could have Calais back, a couple of hundred more and we'd be claiming half of France. Ireland. Poland would be German. Or Hapsburg/Prussian?Most of E Europe would be Turkish. Texas would be French. Ah, heck, USA would be Red Indian and Australia Abo. This is simply an intellectually bankrupt concept.
What tosh!
The hypocrisy of Spain is staggering - one suspects they are using this as an excuse, like Argentina over the Falklands, to divert attention from the dire political situation at home.
I think Gib wold do well to clean up its act somewhat. There's too much talk of money laundering and smuggling for it not to be based on fact, and some of the pro-Gib rhetoric could be toned down from the National Front style rantings we've heard which would improve credibility and image considerably.
It is a fatuous concept anyway as Spain has no claim whatsoever on Gib. The Treaty of Utrecht made it so. End of.
We could go round half the world re-allocating territory to people who owned it 300 years ago, but why stop there? If we go back 500 years we could have Calais back, a couple of hundred more and we'd be claiming half of France. Ireland. Poland would be German. Or Hapsburg/Prussian?Most of E Europe would be Turkish. Texas would be French. Ah, heck, USA would be Red Indian and Australia Abo. This is simply an intellectually bankrupt concept.
What tosh!
The hypocrisy of Spain is staggering - one suspects they are using this as an excuse, like Argentina over the Falklands, to divert attention from the dire political situation at home.
I think Gib wold do well to clean up its act somewhat. There's too much talk of money laundering and smuggling for it not to be based on fact, and some of the pro-Gib rhetoric could be toned down from the National Front style rantings we've heard which would improve credibility and image considerably.
GHA
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Spanish food is just so much better 
SeamanStaines
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Gibraltar is the only British overseas territory to be technically part of the union, but it is not a member: the UK is responsible for all external interests. Gibraltar is also excluded from the customs union and the common agricultural policy.
Gibraltar is attached to the UK's south-west constituency in elections to the European parliament.
Gibraltar is attached to the UK's south-west constituency in elections to the European parliament.
macd
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+1 in all respects.
VO5
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What act is this that needs to be cleaned up exactly ?
There is no money laundering here because the regulations in place for the conduct of investment business, insurance, banking and finance in general are very stringent and closely monitored, and in fact, in comparison with other jurisdictions, draconian. You try and do some money laundering here and see what happens to you.
The real money laundering takes place in Spain, which is completely corrupt, with businessmen, bankers and politicians all up to no good.
We have no smuggling here either. Again, the smuggling is done by organised crime operating in Spain. There are weekly incidents of Spanish Customs intercepting smuggling operations ranging from tobacco to drugs and in every case it is Spanish.
So all of what you imply is too much talk and nonsense and promoted insidiously by anti Gibraltar interests who persist in trying to blacken our name either for political, economic or other reasons, or just ignorance and envy, simple.
I am not toning down anything. I give you the facts,
And I am not rolling over for you or anybody.
You do the rolling if you like, but I am not for rolling.
There is too much of this **** being bandied about, and invariably by people who know zero about my homeland.
There is no money laundering here because the regulations in place for the conduct of investment business, insurance, banking and finance in general are very stringent and closely monitored, and in fact, in comparison with other jurisdictions, draconian. You try and do some money laundering here and see what happens to you.
The real money laundering takes place in Spain, which is completely corrupt, with businessmen, bankers and politicians all up to no good.
We have no smuggling here either. Again, the smuggling is done by organised crime operating in Spain. There are weekly incidents of Spanish Customs intercepting smuggling operations ranging from tobacco to drugs and in every case it is Spanish.
So all of what you imply is too much talk and nonsense and promoted insidiously by anti Gibraltar interests who persist in trying to blacken our name either for political, economic or other reasons, or just ignorance and envy, simple.
I am not toning down anything. I give you the facts,
And I am not rolling over for you or anybody.
You do the rolling if you like, but I am not for rolling.
There is too much of this **** being bandied about, and invariably by people who know zero about my homeland.
MASH
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No smuggling? All done in Spain? Oh, do wake up you dimwit!
Have you ever heard so much pie-in-the-sky sh!t in your life?
This kind of delusion is exactly why Gib's credibility is so low, and so totally self-imposed.
Pathetic in it's naiivety! Utterly pathetic.
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Nostrodamus
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VO5
What is the Gibraltain language if Gibraltar is so British.
Certainly the Gibraltains we met all had conversations in a mixture of Spanish and English.
Is it true that Gibraltarians have there university places in the UK paid for by the government and as there is no University in Gibraltar these places are all in the UK?
Just wondered.
As for smuggling by Gibraltarians... If you live there and have no knowledge of it then you have your head somewhere dark and smelly.
What is the Gibraltain language if Gibraltar is so British.
Certainly the Gibraltains we met all had conversations in a mixture of Spanish and English.
Is it true that Gibraltarians have there university places in the UK paid for by the government and as there is no University in Gibraltar these places are all in the UK?
Just wondered.
As for smuggling by Gibraltarians... If you live there and have no knowledge of it then you have your head somewhere dark and smelly.
VO5
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Our official language is English. But we have a border with another country whose language is Spanish.
Like all border areas, everywhere in the world, both languages tend to be in common usage
This leads to an anomaly. And I cannot remember the exact term, but people then adopt the idea of switching from one to the other to enhance understanding because, in one language the meaning may be deeper or more enriched than in the other and vice versa. You hear it in India, and in Hong Kong for example. Then for visitors it may be difficult if they only speak one language or the other, but to those who have mastered both, it is quite normal.
Gibraltarians are awarded university places in the UK paid by the Gibraltar Government, that is correct.
I understand that the education system here is being extended here to university level, but I cannot comment further as I don't have exact details.
I am not in trade. I am not involved in commerce. I am not involved in business. Neither are people in my circle.
Therefore if you are implying I might be involved in smuggling your assumptions are incorrect and totally unfounded. But I do know that the accusations persistently levelled at us are unfair, since, as I have repeatedly explained ad nauseum, smuggling, which is a criminal activity, is in the hands of organised crime syndicates and not in the hands of ordinary citizens.
The organised gangs that do this are outside Gibraltar. Our Royal Gibraltar Police is very strict. One is not allowed to purchase more than three cartons of 200 cigarettes each at anyone time.
There are Spaniards who come into Gibraltar daily to engage in tobacco runs, hiding what they have purchased in vehicles and on their person.
And they do this several times daily if they can. But they are stopped if found to be habitual offenders, and there have been cases of large hauls being confiscated from these people by our authorities, involving really nasty clashes with The Royal Gibraltar Police, whose duty is to enforce our laws.
I would rather have my head where it is and not where you think.
If you want to seriously investigate smuggling and wrongdoing you ought to spend some time in the Spanish coast region all the way up to Malaga.
You would not find it at all difficult to make yourself understood there, despite not speaking or understanding Spanish, because the biggest crooks apart from the Russian Mafia, are your very own countrymen, who operate in really serious gangs, and known to everybody as denizens of "The Costa Del Crime"
You will not have any difficulty in identifying their watering holes. You will see they stick out like sore thumbs, wearing garish clothing, tattoos, sunburnt like lobsters, yelling and swearing, and swilling beer endlessly. Let us know how you get on, but do be careful.
I have knowledge that smuggling occurs. But I have yet to see Gibraltarians dedicated to it. The truly dedicated are the Spaniards. And in the Costa Del Crime the British Hooligan Element that I have described also lend them a hand, or so I am told, because they spend an awful lot of time at their Little Britain pubs and bars, ideal for all sorts of "businesses".
Many of these Spaniards make a living out of it. They buy it here and get it over the border to resell it. You can understand the desperation of a people in a nation with such high unemployment levels and such a disastrous economic situation.
Like all border areas, everywhere in the world, both languages tend to be in common usage
This leads to an anomaly. And I cannot remember the exact term, but people then adopt the idea of switching from one to the other to enhance understanding because, in one language the meaning may be deeper or more enriched than in the other and vice versa. You hear it in India, and in Hong Kong for example. Then for visitors it may be difficult if they only speak one language or the other, but to those who have mastered both, it is quite normal.
Gibraltarians are awarded university places in the UK paid by the Gibraltar Government, that is correct.
I understand that the education system here is being extended here to university level, but I cannot comment further as I don't have exact details.
I am not in trade. I am not involved in commerce. I am not involved in business. Neither are people in my circle.
Therefore if you are implying I might be involved in smuggling your assumptions are incorrect and totally unfounded. But I do know that the accusations persistently levelled at us are unfair, since, as I have repeatedly explained ad nauseum, smuggling, which is a criminal activity, is in the hands of organised crime syndicates and not in the hands of ordinary citizens.
The organised gangs that do this are outside Gibraltar. Our Royal Gibraltar Police is very strict. One is not allowed to purchase more than three cartons of 200 cigarettes each at anyone time.
There are Spaniards who come into Gibraltar daily to engage in tobacco runs, hiding what they have purchased in vehicles and on their person.
And they do this several times daily if they can. But they are stopped if found to be habitual offenders, and there have been cases of large hauls being confiscated from these people by our authorities, involving really nasty clashes with The Royal Gibraltar Police, whose duty is to enforce our laws.
I would rather have my head where it is and not where you think.
If you want to seriously investigate smuggling and wrongdoing you ought to spend some time in the Spanish coast region all the way up to Malaga.
You would not find it at all difficult to make yourself understood there, despite not speaking or understanding Spanish, because the biggest crooks apart from the Russian Mafia, are your very own countrymen, who operate in really serious gangs, and known to everybody as denizens of "The Costa Del Crime"
You will not have any difficulty in identifying their watering holes. You will see they stick out like sore thumbs, wearing garish clothing, tattoos, sunburnt like lobsters, yelling and swearing, and swilling beer endlessly. Let us know how you get on, but do be careful.
I have knowledge that smuggling occurs. But I have yet to see Gibraltarians dedicated to it. The truly dedicated are the Spaniards. And in the Costa Del Crime the British Hooligan Element that I have described also lend them a hand, or so I am told, because they spend an awful lot of time at their Little Britain pubs and bars, ideal for all sorts of "businesses".
Many of these Spaniards make a living out of it. They buy it here and get it over the border to resell it. You can understand the desperation of a people in a nation with such high unemployment levels and such a disastrous economic situation.
Nostrodamus
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Thank you for your honest reply VO5 but there was never any implication on my part that you were personally involved in smuggling. What I was saying in the short time I was there I had was aware that the Gibraltarians also smuggled tobacco out to Spain and I cannot understand how someone who has lived there so long does not believe or know it goes on.. I also totally agree with you about the Brits...