Sorry but more "Raggie" Knocking

[ballena]

Sorry but more \"Raggie\" Knocking

SWMBO and I had a great day at the Bognor Birdman Rally yesterday, although we did feel like "Billy no mates" as none of you turned up, anyway it was fun watching the crazy antics of Sir Richard Branson and co.

Anyway,the reason I am posting this is that upon our return to Southsea yesterday evening we noticed a small sailing dinghy being towed back as they had underestimated the current flowing out of Langstone Harbour. As we arrived at the holding pontoon we were disgusted to see three "chinless wonders" f*rting around taking up valuable pontoon space and not an offer of help for us trying to get alongside in a very small space with a serious crosswind.

TO YOU "THANKS A MILLION"

They then proceeded to go to the bar and drink half pints of real ale befor abandoning their boat.

Its good manners to offer assistance to anyone berthing, I hope that they were novices and not just ignorant, that just my good nature coming out

SWMBO was pleased to see the back of them just incase some of our friends at the marina thought that we might know them.


End of my beef!!!!

Paul R

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[hlb]

Re: Sorry but more \"Raggie\" Knocking

Personally, I'm happy for them to pee off. It causes less bother.

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[tcm]

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Um, you should be able to get yourself in, wherever you choose, and not be dependent on others. Help or suport is just that - nice to have, but not necessary, surely? Indeed, in some places, with some boats, it is sometimes seen as almost rude to rush over and offer help - the clear indication being that the skipper/crew are unable to get in themselves. Dockside help is a blessing if given - but not a cause for indignation if none is forthcoming.

all imho

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[ballena]

Re: erm, er

I understand what you are saying, however, a polite word costs nothing and can always be refused just as politely.

P.S SWMBO has asked me if you would like to adopt a galley slave, she has an affinity for animal print and will blend in well with the surroundings


Paul & Wendy

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

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Miserable git, are'nt you? Its common courtesy at least to offer a hand to a boat coming alongside next to you especially if its a bit windy although I agree with hlb that such help is often a hindrance. After all, they might damage your gelcoat

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[Dave_Snelson]

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Ah well...if we are talking dinghy sailors here, then we have a problem!! You see, dinghy sailors are the "jet-skiers" of the sailing world. The guys that sail real yachts are seldom a problem.

Many years ago, I was out waterskiing in mirror calm waters off the coast in North Wales when we were waved down by a dinghy sailor who was completely becalmed and with no means of propulsion. We towed him to the harbour and what he said next left a lasting impression on me.....he told me and my mate to F*** off, and then hopped ashore. No kidding - work that one out!!

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[gjgm]

Re: Sorry but more \"Raggie\" Knocking

I suppose in a strong cross wind, little room and fast tide, if you were unsure,and probably a bit stressed, about berthing perhaps you might have asked , instead of expecting assistance,whether sail or motor. But I sympathise, that apparently unlike some others, you occasionally experience a berthing situation where you do need help. I guess its a learning curve some of us are still on, and others have passed beyond. Anyway, sobering to know that this instance qualifies you as a "miserable old git"


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[Martin_Billings]

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Maybe it's a bit like when we were kids my cousin and I were trying to bump start an Austin A30 by towing it round a field with a land rover. I couldn't get it to start driving the A30, so he jumps out of the LR and says, you're not doing it right, you drive the LR. Just give it some right foot and I'll get this thing started. Anyway, I didn't appreciate the slingshot effect of being on the end of 30 feet of rope and when I stopped I think he said something similar to your man in the dinghy. Mind you, I don't think he was feeling very well at the time.

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[Chris_Robb]

"chinless wonders"

How did you know they were chinless wonders - Suppose you went to a state school and have a chip on your shoulder. As for expecting people to help you - well you could try asking politely - but then they probably did not teach you any manners. Mind you the chinless wonders never learnt any manners either!

As for the dinghy sailors being towed in ' they under estimated the tide' - much more likely that the wind dropped, and some nice guy offered to pull them in.

You take the sad git of the week for this posting!

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[ballena]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

If you had read my post properly you would have seen that I mentioned a strong crosswind. Maybe you too are a chinless wonder!!

I often frequent East head and I must say thet the dinghy sailors from Hayling Sailing Club are the most rude, self opinionated, egotistical, bad mannered bunch I have ever come across. Why do they find it necessary to sail through anchored boats at high speed, use navigation marks as race marks and shout obuse to maotor and sail?

I have and will always give way to sail, having sailed dinghies myself some years ago but I do expect some acknowledgement of my actions especially when I stop or go astern to let them pass.

Sorry that I appear to be sad old git, I was taught manners by my parents and just expect others to be considerate and friendly.

Is that too much to ask?

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[jon_bailey]

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From my perspective Paul does appear to be being judged harshly by at least some of the assembled throng.

His boat is extremely susceptible to windage due to the high sides, shallow draft and small waterline. With no bow thruster I am sure that any shore based assistance in a cross wind would be appreciated.

I hope that the raggie bashing made him feel better although I do not feel that it acheives anything other than winding up the 'opposition', the vast majority of whom are like the rest of us.

IMHO

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[Lynda]

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I think my experience Bank Holiday weekend fits in nicely with this particular "beef". Courtesy costs nothing and nor does offering a helping hand, even to a "prat". With the ongoing saga of our engine probs we've been out a couple of times with a friend who is a real "salty". We were out on the Sunday fishing up the wash (Poole), listening and watching for the crap easterly weather to come in, which pitched up around 1ish. I'd seen what I can only describe as an oversized tin bath with two guys in it fishing close to us, not only was it rusted to hell, but it was buckled as well!

So we head on back into the harbour as the weather picked up and then see them waving frantically - obviously having engine trouble - Buffalo - my salty fishing friend was grumbling something about serves the silly gits right, and they'll just wash up on the beach in Studland Bay. But I persuaded him to tow them in to the harbour, as I would like to think someone would offer me help if in difficulties. So we did, it was difficult because the "bath" was twisted and kept throwing out to the left.

We took them into Sandbanks Yacht Club pier, but to get there through the very tight mooring space Buffalo had to hold them tight to the side whilst I took the boat in. I'm only used to under 20ft with instant power should I need quick steerage. His is a very large solid wood 1950's fishing jobby, I took it very steady and was happy with my progress until .... here comes the chinless wonder! in a small sailing dinghy with young son hurtling along through the moored boats and heading straight into my path. I was close to the pier and planning my approach into a small space. He could see we were towing and had no room for manouver but continued on his course looking at me with that "you will give way" look in his eye, I pulled into neutral, but I was not in a position to reverse or take evasive action, he gave in at the last second shouting abuse and asking weather I was aware that motor gave way to sail, but my response was drowned by the expletives that Buffalo was throwing at him (who in normal circumstances obeys and respects all the rules), and bloody well deserved it was too... inconsiderate little s..t!!

I did pull in nice and easy, dropped of the bath and off we went on our way, only to see the bath an hour later having fixed the engine on their way back out of the harbour!

You wonder why you bother!!

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[BarryH]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

The joys of boating in Poole with the dingy sailors!

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[Captain Coochie]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

your lucky it wasnt a rower
he would've hidden till the last minute then appeared at full speed
i dont like dingies either
fools the lot of them! :O)

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[Chris_Robb]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

I did read your post correctly - you should ask - not just expect.

As for Hayling Island sailing club, I used to be a member, and have left as the club has changed from all recognition. I am afraid with the volume of dinghy sailing there set to rise hugely due to the new development, coupled with the fact that it is attracting highly competitive sailors, the problem is going to get considerably worse. You should complain directly to the harbour master on-mass. It was bad before - so I can't imagine what its like now!

Even as a member of the club (part of the lowly and disregarded cruiser faction) their attitude toward complaints was woefully disrespectful.



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[Dave_Snelson]

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We were actually nice to the chap (who was at retirement age, or thereabouts) and we towed him slowly.

Now then....slingshot effect on the end of 80' of ski rope!!!!! )

Why the hell didn't I think of that at the time - drat!

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[Neraida]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

Sorry if this sounds stupid but what's a chinless wonder?

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[Chris_Robb]

Re: \"chinless wonders\"

I always thought that they were a product of aristocratic in-breeding - though how this can be applied to a blanket description of dinghy sailors I don't know.

I do agree with the posters comments on Hayling Island sailing club and its dinghy racing though - its getting out of control!

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[tcm]

Re: oh alright then

i have just re-read my haughty posting and changed my mind. The chinless gits on the pontoon were totally useless and cd easily have made themselves more useful at no cost and little effort. GITS!

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[ccscott49]

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I've got a ragish boat, I've also got a chin, I also sometimes help people with warps etc, but I've often been told "we dont need any help" when they plainly do, but still offer, but not as much as I did. I do wish you would stop all this shit!