Snaggy split pins - better options?

[rogerthebodger]

John Deere have a reputation in the market. You may recall the group of American farmers who went to court to allow them to repair their own kit.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litig...ht-to-repair-lawsuits-judge-rules-2023-11-27/

There is a worldwide movement that in the right to repair mainly involving motor vehicles but can expand to other commodities.

This was as a result of the aftermarket suppliers and the OEM's attempt to control what happens to their product and increase their profit

It's similar to antitrust and monopoly laws

Q & A - Explanation of the R2R Guidelines - Right to Repair South Africa

 

[Refueler]

R clips are found all over my tractors / truck gear ... but they as another says are not load bearing. In fact no locking clip should have any load - they are their purely to lock the main pin in place.

The question sits as to safety of the R clip or pin used to lock the main pin in place .. if its subject to other items snagging it ... revolving with the main pin ... etc. Each application can be solved with a different form of pin.

 

[Sandy]

There is a worldwide movement that in the right to repair mainly involving motor vehicles but can expand to other commodities.

This was as a result of the aftermarket suppliers and the OEM's attempt to control what happens to their product and increase their profit

It's similar to antitrust and monopoly laws

Q & A - Explanation of the R2R Guidelines - Right to Repair South Africa

I am fully aware of the issues, I am a retired engineer! The link was posted in response to @Daydream believer 's post suggesting I knew the 'square root of zero', as my late father would say, about agriculture when we have never met and he knows little about me or my history.

Beginning to feel like every post on here needs a full set of declarations and caveats so people don't spend time posting stuff I know about.

 

[Refueler]

I am fully aware of the issues, I am a retired engineer! The link was posted in response to @Daydream believer 's post suggesting I knew the 'square root of zero', as my late father would say, about agriculture when we have never met and he knows little about me or my history.

Beginning to feel like every post on here needs a full set of declarations and caveats so people don't spend time posting stuff I know about.

I read your post and makes me think about the cr** I read about fuel and treatments .... I decided long ago to ignore most and just answer ones that I felt deserved answering. Caveats ??

None of us can know what others know about ... unless they post about specific items and show ...

 

[Daydream believer]

I now about engineers
Hotpoint sent one to repair my wife's washing machine when it broke down

 

[gaylord694]

I am fully aware of the issues, I am a retired engineer! The link was posted in response to @Daydream believer 's post suggesting I knew the 'square root of zero', as my late father would say, about agriculture when we have never met and he knows little about me or my history.

Beginning to feel like every post on here needs a full set of declarations and caveats so people don't spend time posting stuff I know about.

Isn't it great knowing about nothing

 

[Refueler]

I now about engineers
Hotpoint sent one to repair my wife's washing machine when it broke down

On tankers .. the Deck Officers operate the cargo pumps ....

As a Cadet on my first ship - I asked the Chief Officer why we Deckies operated the pumps and not the Engineers ...

His answer was :

If Engineers had the job of running the pumps - they'd spend all time greasing / oiling and inspecting - never pump a ton of oil - instead of starting the bl***y things and getting the cargo off ..
Their place is to fix them after we break them !

Can't argue with that !!

 

[rogerthebodger]

I am fully aware of the issues, I am a retired engineer! The link was posted in response to @Daydream believer 's post suggesting I knew the 'square root of zero', as my late father would say, about agriculture when we have never met and he knows little about me or my history.

Beginning to feel like every post on here needs a full set of declarations and caveats so people don't spend time posting stuff I know about.

I am also a retired Engineer but there are engineers and then Engineers.

I trained as an apprentice design Draughtsman from 15 years of age going to night school to get an ONC in mechanical and Electrical Engineering before going to University of Aston to get a Mechanical Engineering Honors Degree with industrial training then working in Engineering Design working towards getting membership of I MechE / CEng mid 1970's so I think I have both practical training and skills together with technical knowledge to add to my practical skills

Having done Mechanical Design, maintenance, manufacture, installation in various industrials, together with electrical and electronic control system design and manufacture including machine code computer programming, I consider I have a range of practical and educated knowledge to make comment on design and use of various Mechanical engineering designs to comment.

I do understand and accept that skills and knowledge can be gained from pure experience as I also have knowledge gained that way.


It the depth and level of knowledge that is important and it's the Dunning Kruger effect that where people who have lower levels of knowledge think they know more than they actually do

 

[rogerthebodger]

On tankers .. the Deck Officers operate the cargo pumps ....

As a Cadet on my first ship - I asked the Chief Officer why we Deckies operated the pumps and not the Engineers ...

His answer was :

If Engineers had the job of running the pumps - they'd spend all time greasing / oiling and inspecting - never pump a ton of oil - instead of starting the bl***y things and getting the cargo off ..
Their place is to fix them after we break them !

Can't argue with that !!

Before the deck Officers can start the pump and the "Engineer" can repair then someone a "Design Engineer" need to design the pump in such a way that they can be manufactured and fitted to the ship so the pump will perform the function required.

Different types of Engineers

 

[gaylord694]

Ah here we go... The black cat syndrome, if you've a black cat someone else has a blacker one

 

[Stemar]

Before the deck Officers can start the pump and the "Engineer" can repair then someone a "Design Engineer" need to design the pump in such a way that they can be manufactured and fitted to the ship so the pump will perform the function required.

Different types of Engineers

Then the bean counters come along and tell everyone it's too expensive to do it properly.

Yet there always seems to be enough money to fix the bodge, even though it's more than it would have been to do it right in the first place.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Then the bean counters come along and tell everyone it's too expensive to do it properly.

Yet there always seems to be enough money to fix the Bodge, even though it's more than it would have been to do it right in the first place.

I have obtain had fights with bean counters I Rember one fight I had with a Chief Electrical Engineer when designing a insulated plastic handheld hoist control that was operated with 42 vac voltage.

He insisted on a ground return wire that must connect to somewhere in the plastic case. I added a self-tapper screw into the plastic to attach a crimped ring on to the ground wire that connected to the self-tapper screwed into the plastic case

 

[Poignard]

"A guy is driving around the back woods of Montana and he sees a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house: 'Talking Dog For Sale.'

He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.

The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador Retriever sitting there.

"You talk?" he asks.

"Yep" the Lab replies.

After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says, "So, what's your story?"

The Lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA. In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping, I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running... but the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired."

The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.

"Ten dollars" the guy says.

"Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on Earth are you selling him so cheap?"

"Because he's a liar. He's never been out of the yard."

---

"

 

[Sandy]

Isn't it great knowing about nothing

I have no idea.

I might have been a bit grumpy this morning - it is the lack of sunshine and wind in the sails. If I came across as a bit short my apologies to @Daydream believer.

 

[Refueler]

Before the deck Officers can start the pump and the "Engineer" can repair then someone a "Design Engineer" need to design the pump in such a way that they can be manufactured and fitted to the ship so the pump will perform the function required.

Different types of Engineers

Two ships (sisters) designed for Lightering work. Both of about 60,000 MT ... shallow draft ... wide beam. Later tankers of small to medium size by then were being fitted with individual pumps in each tank ... Framo ... they then connect into the central manifold lines.

Company capped the costs on pumps and requested that the pumps be run at speeds higher than rated .. basically they messed up as the pumps that they chose meant ship could not meet designed discharge rate if run at max manufacturers speed.

Framo of course replied that they would not support such operation and Company would have to cover all repairs / damages out of warranty.

Ships first cargoes were a disaster and we were called back to cover Lightering while repairs were made to them.

They finally managed to get the ships to discharge cargoes without too many incidents - not because of Company realising its error - but because local residents filed petition to Terminal and Town Council about the excessive noise when those ships discharged. Terminal and ships were restricted in noise levels - which put the pumps below manufacturers max speeds !!

If you've ever heard large vessel Framo pumps all wound up - you cannot believe the row they make ...

 

[rogerthebodger]

This just demonstrated the incompetence of the ban counters specifying unsuitable equipment on cost alone without considering performance

 

[Daydream believer]

I have no idea.

I might have been a bit grumpy this morning - it is the lack of sunshine and wind in the sails. If I came across as a bit short my apologies to @Daydream believer.

No apologies needed-- & please--I hope that you realise that my comment was only a wind up in jest
Let's call it quits & carry on. Have a great day & look forward to tomorrow