Seven Spades
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Actually that is possibly closer to the truth than you might realise.
SIBS, boat you would be most likely to buy?
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AIDY
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I've never under stood why HR have never updated their design... The only design changes I can remember in the last few years are rounded corners on the stern. And they have decided recently to put modern square windows in the hull sides..
I guess. Why change a winning formular.
I guess. Why change a winning formular.
eddystone
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Although I'm not currently in a position to buy a new boat, I thought it would be interesting to see what is available in the 30-33 ft range. As someone who gets on very well with the "standard british layout" , the Beneteau/Janneau options did not appeal, although they don't seem to bring their First/Sunfast offerings to SIBS. Impressed by the hull on the Hanse 315, massive keelbolts in big steel plates but interior very IKEA and difficult to use the saloon as seaberths. Also, to have the mainsheet traveller option, you have to have wheels rather than a tiller. Bavaria 33 looks well built and (think that was the one) has a really deep cockpit locker with a ladder. The single sheeting point for the main is a turn off though - traveller not even an option. Really liked the RM890 - simple open plan interior - very well laid out cockpit for single handing and steel reinforcing structure for the keel(s) - why only RCD B? salesman didn't know. For me the winner was the Winner 9 (I'd like to see the Winner 10.2 as well). Apart from everything else, the traveller is just where I want it, on the bridge deck. Needless to say, chart tables are generally a bit of token effort.
Finally had a chance to look at the Rustler 37; the 42 has always been my dream boat (although far too big for my needs) but disappointed by 37 - the port side seat with trotter boxes isn't actually long enough as a sea berth, not to mention impossible to get into, so they are lengthening by turning the chart table around so it faces aft.
Had a sail on a Sonar - more enjoyable than anything else I did.
Spirit 46 and 52 - where is that lottery ticket.
The HR342 nice, but you would expect a bigger cockpit locker and wheel version doesn't work as well as tiller for short handed sailors. New price makes the ones on the brokerage market look over-priced.
Finally had a chance to look at the Rustler 37; the 42 has always been my dream boat (although far too big for my needs) but disappointed by 37 - the port side seat with trotter boxes isn't actually long enough as a sea berth, not to mention impossible to get into, so they are lengthening by turning the chart table around so it faces aft.
Had a sail on a Sonar - more enjoyable than anything else I did.
Spirit 46 and 52 - where is that lottery ticket.
The HR342 nice, but you would expect a bigger cockpit locker and wheel version doesn't work as well as tiller for short handed sailors. New price makes the ones on the brokerage market look over-priced.
Tranona
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Almost impossible to get a boat of this size into Cat A as it does not have a high enough STIX, which is heavily influenced by LOA. Few boats of 30' comply, of which the Hanse you quote is one. Does not mean that the RM is not capable of offshore or "ocean" passages, just that it is not big enough to meet the RCD definition.
Agree about the HR. Very cramped cockpit, consequence of narrower stern sections compared with more recent designs.
BTW no traveller on a a Bavaria 33 is not a problem, particularly if you have a furling mainsail as most do. All a compromise and a better one for short handed sailing than the coachroof mounted mainsheet that was popular on earlier boats where the (short) traveller made little difference.
nickd
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Well we went to look at 45's with a view to purchase we had a short list of 2
The first thing we found was the 41's are so similar internally that we have now dropped down a notch to them.
So we now have a short list of 4!
Hanse, Jenneau, Bavaria and Legend
The Jen I think is offering best value for money
The Hanse is probably out as the Galley work surfaces were quite high and my wife is quite low
The Legend is very nice below decks, I am concerned that the cockpit is quite small
I was very struck with the Bav 41 vision - some very nice developments
Have not sailed any of them yet - which will be the acid test
The first thing we found was the 41's are so similar internally that we have now dropped down a notch to them.
So we now have a short list of 4!
Hanse, Jenneau, Bavaria and Legend
The Jen I think is offering best value for money
The Hanse is probably out as the Galley work surfaces were quite high and my wife is quite low
The Legend is very nice below decks, I am concerned that the cockpit is quite small
I was very struck with the Bav 41 vision - some very nice developments
Have not sailed any of them yet - which will be the acid test
doug748
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"Really liked the RM890 - simple open plan interior - very well laid out cockpit for single handing and steel reinforcing structure for the keel(s) - why only RCD B? salesman didn't know. For me the winner was the Winner 9 (I'd like to see the Winner 10.2 as well). Apart from everything else, the traveller is just where I want it, on the bridge deck. Needless to say, chart tables are generally a bit of token effort. "
"Salesman didn't know" is a popular reaction to tricky questions. Always a good idea to ask though. However he has nothing to be embarrassed about, the boat is a fast, light machine it is what it is.
YM was very keen on the Winner as well
"Salesman didn't know" is a popular reaction to tricky questions. Always a good idea to ask though. However he has nothing to be embarrassed about, the boat is a fast, light machine it is what it is.
YM was very keen on the Winner as well
dnickj
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so is that the Spirit or the Amel on the shopping list then ?
stranded
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Just dreaming, but does anyone know of anyone who has done the sailing equivalent of credit card cycle touring. E.g. perhaps significant passages in something.like the Spirit 46 but mostly decamping to hotels when assure. I guess one of the problems is that part of the motivation would be to make anchorages looks pretty but in reality you'd mostly be condemned to marinas. Interesting idea though as an alternative to a caravan.
single
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My 'most likely to buy' was at the used boatshow!!!! At SIBS was it just me that thought the new Beneteau interiors were awful?
jonic
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Went back on the Contest again today and still smitten.
Also had a look at the Euphoria...very nice.
Also had a look at the Euphoria...very nice.
jordanbasset
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Cannot get to the show this year but looking on line I do like the Bavaria 33. Would have been interested in the Bavaria 37 but the twin wheels would not be necessary for our style of sailing and they impinge on the length of the cockpit seats.
stuartwineberg
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+1 on the Sirius - fabulous boat but even so - the "workshop" is a bit of a joke and you need to dismantle the boat every time you want to get down there and switch off the breakers and there is no room to sit facing the nav desk - I am under 5 foot 4 and I don't fit - they even show someone having to fit sideways on the promo leaflets - and the price ......... At the other end of the scale - I drool every time I go on an Elling - there is something about underfloor heating that is truly decadent in a good way. I was really impressed by the Seaward 29 until I went forward and found the galley in the same space as the main sleeping area - microwaved breakfast without getting out of bed anyone? Very good people on them though - we were delving into the engine bay just for the fun of it - they are real enthusiasts. Hardy have done a great job updating the Commander 32 - lovely open airy space but pricy again. Switch panel in the wrong place - by the helms knees and with no cover to avoid accidental knocks - they are going to mod that for the next one. Salesman of the show goes to the Clipper guy on the Bav 33 - chatty, factual, knowledgeable about the range history as well as the boat he was selling, open about what the boat and its rig would do and would not - asked us which marina we were based in and was very happy to bring a demo boat to wherever we were if we wanted a test sail. One awful sales guy on a boat I am very interested in who dodged every factual question and kept waffling back to the joys of being in the family of *** owners - couldn't grasp that I was interested in facts, figures and any issues I might face on a second hand boat. I wont name them as I am still interested in the boats. All in all a very good day out as long as you could stay vertical in the howling wind.
stuartwineberg
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Yep - really liked the 33 - light and airy, huge heads with proper wet gear hanging space. SWMBO swore years ago she wouldn't get an open aft cockpit yacht again (we are moboers at the moment) but she was nearly converted by the feel of the 33. Love the drop down transom and the Garmin version of the wheelpilot which doesn't have the plastic bolt ons of the Raymarine one. Didn't like the galley which I thought was very cramped and nowhere to lean back outboard when helming - I think I would have real backache after a few hours.
Romeo
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Not actually very likely to buy any new boat, as I have enough boats to keep me going for a while. However from the show the boat that I would be most likely to buy would probably be the Evans Atlantic Beachboat, which I think would be great for small adventures and expeditions with friends:
also of course I would be interested in the St Ayles skiff. However that is a community boat, rather than one for individuals, and I already have access to three of them in my community. There is a completed one and one in build at the show:
more info at www.scottishcoastalrowing.org ..... and yes, the building of them is spreading to many parts of England now too.
also of course I would be interested in the St Ayles skiff. However that is a community boat, rather than one for individuals, and I already have access to three of them in my community. There is a completed one and one in build at the show:
more info at www.scottishcoastalrowing.org ..... and yes, the building of them is spreading to many parts of England now too.
Garold
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We like them.
So much that we would like to buy one.
So, 'different folks - different boats'.
Garold
snooks
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There are a few boats of this size (around 8.8 LWL) which are cat A – contrary to Hanse's 315 brochure sales blurb which claim they are the only cat A boat of that size.
Legend 31
Winner 9
Hallberg Rassy 310
Bavaria Cruiser 33
Sirius 310
Elan 310
snooks
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You can have a mainsheet traveller on the Hanse 315 with a tiller. It locates above the rudder stock aft of the tiller - The boat at the Hiswa Te Water show in Amsterdam had this arrangement, along with the open forward bulkhead.
360º interior:
http://grahamsnook.com/360/hanse315
pvb
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I have the Cruiser 37 with twin wheels, and love it! My old boat had a single wheel, but the view from the 37's wheels is great. If you specify the extra aft winches, it's very easy to single-hand. As for the cockpit seats, my good lady has pronounced that they're OK for sunbathing (if you can predict which day is summer in England). The heads/shower in the 2-cabin 37 is superb, and works really well. There's oodles of storage space, a very comfortable forecabin, and it all functions flawlessly! Excellent German engineering.
Tranona
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They are all substantially bigger than the RM which is one side of the borderline and the ones you quote are the other side.
snooks
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I wouldn't say 4 inches was substantially bigger (in boats terms at least) and all have a similar or shorter LWL. But there are bigger yachts that are CAT B too. I'd be happy to take the RM890 offshore - the one which I tested (which is at SIBS) was sailed around from La Rochelle in some pretty grim weather.
RM890 Hull length 8.90m (29ft 2in) LWL 8.8m (28ft 10in)
Winner 9 Hull length 9.0m (29ft 6in) LWL 8.0m (26ft 3in)
However my point was not about the RM890 per se, you said "Few boats of 30' comply" and I was pointing out that there are at least four or five 30 footers which make Cat A.
Hanse 315 Hull length 9.62m (31ft 7in) LWL 8.70m (28ft 7in)
Legend 31 Hull length 9.86m (32ft 4in) LWL 9.04m (29ft 8in)
Elan 310 Hull length 9.25m (30ft 4 in) LWL 8.71 (28ft 7in)
Bavaria 33 Hull length 9.25m (30ft 4in) LWL 8.85 (29ft) Correction: 9.75 (32ft)
HR 310 Hull length 9.42m (30ft 11in) LWL 8.80 (28ft 10)
Sirius 310 Hull length 9.3m (30ft 6in) LWL 8.55 (28ft)
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