Cathy*
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I've looked in the area and booked a table at Titchfield Mill. Thanks.
SIBS 2015
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I've looked in the area and booked a table at Titchfield Mill. Thanks.
MapisM
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Mmm... Not what I'd want on a boat like that, but each to their own.
Re. single/twin, actually I think that Nordhavn is happy to build you also small(ish) twin engine boats, if that's a must for you before signing on the dotted line...
As I said, I for one wouldn't go that route for anything up to at least 70', but I'm pretty sure to have seen around at least a 47', a 55' and a 57' with twin engines.
Otoh, I've never seen (nor read of) a twin engine K-K.
But I suppose that by "above 52" you mean the 55', which afaik is their bigger boat ATM, and I never saw one of them yet.
TwoHooter
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I think that really is the whole story. A Nordhavn 52 has just completed a crossing from Dampier in Australia to Rodrigues, en route to South Africa. See http://mvdirona.com/. That's 3005 nautical miles with no practical diversion past the point of no return. Even with the big tanks they had to use fuel bladders on the Portuguese bridge and in the cockpit. I do not think it would be possible to build a 52ft motorboat with two main engines which could do that passage.
Of course not all Nordhavns are used like that. Some of us choose them even though our cruising plans are a lot less ambitious. But the fundamental design criterion is bluewater long-range capability and nothing is allowed to compromise that.
Nick_H
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Nice to meet you on Friday J.
I think the Axopar price was ex-VAT, although it's still a load of (very nice) boat for the money.
I agree that SIBS did feel a bit underwhelming this year, only Princess were there in any real force with lots of boats and some new model launches, although it's noteworthy that even they chose to unveil the rebuilt Project 31 at Cannes not SIBS.
jrudge
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Just checked the price list picture I took .... you are correct ex vat.
Jurgen
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Very impressed with the Sunseeker Predator 57, loved the layout but not quite in the 1+mill salary range at the mo.
The Sunseeker 28mtr was un real as was the hospitality, many thanks to Sunseeker Torquay for booking visits and the fizz
Liked the Sealine S450 but why oh why are they still using switched that we had on our 18 year old S37???????
Grand Soleil 50 was very nice, clean lines and well laid out.
As usual a lot of repetition from the chandlery companies and didn't spot any major bargains but going Sunday so may try my luck with Raymarine Vendors.
The Sunseeker 28mtr was un real as was the hospitality, many thanks to Sunseeker Torquay for booking visits and the fizz
Liked the Sealine S450 but why oh why are they still using switched that we had on our 18 year old S37???????
Grand Soleil 50 was very nice, clean lines and well laid out.
As usual a lot of repetition from the chandlery companies and didn't spot any major bargains but going Sunday so may try my luck with Raymarine Vendors.
PowerYachtBlog
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Brits where also very slow in Cannes, as the only novelty they had there was the Princess 35M, no World Premieres at SoF from Sunseeker and Fairline.
z1ppy
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I had a really good crawl around the Axopar 28 Open in Portland in July and all around, it is a great product that needs a little improvement on the finish but not enough to put me off!!
I confess to helming it with some considerable enthusiasm during the sea trial and was very impressed. From the helm it feels very solid but if you are stood a little further back (the row of bench seats) it does feel a little hard but then i was putting it into a rolling head sea at 40 + kts.
The one i drove had a 250 Verado and it was a little short for my liking. Could have done with a 300 or better still 350 to make it that bit more comfortable but 40 Kts is no slouch and i think i recall seeing 44 Kts on test. very responsive to throttle and a delight to keep level at all angles of attack.
i am struggling to convince SWMBO that its the right boat for us but no doubt it has a lot going for it and i would rate it over the XO boats which are considerably more expensive. would like to see the cabin version as for UK boating, this would really be something worth a long look...
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No I mean the KK 52 http://www.kadeykrogen.com/52/. Twins are an option. I think the difference between Nordhavn and KK is that Nordhavn will build you a twin engined boat at this size but they'll do it reluctantly, try and persuade you otherwise and possibly penalise you with smaller fuel tanks whereas with KK they don't seem to have such a fixation on singles and they'll happily build you a twin. I don't think there is any right or wrong answer to this, just personal preference
MapisM
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Thanks for the link, M.
I kept an eye on the KK 52s several years ago, but I never came across a twin engine one.
Otoh, if they mention it as a sort of standard option, they must have built some, I reckon.
In fact, they also mention the shallower draft (almost 1 foot!) with twins, which on one hand is NOT what you actually want in a trawler, but otoh might be attractive for US folks willing to cruise the Bahamas, for instance...
In this sense, I can agree that personal preference might be relevant, but actually in a 50 to 60 feet trawler, the advantages of going for a single engine are overwhelming enough to make it a no brainer, in principle.
Having two problems rather than one is by far what I regret most of when I choose to buy my current boat.
I kept an eye on the KK 52s several years ago, but I never came across a twin engine one.
Otoh, if they mention it as a sort of standard option, they must have built some, I reckon.
In fact, they also mention the shallower draft (almost 1 foot!) with twins, which on one hand is NOT what you actually want in a trawler, but otoh might be attractive for US folks willing to cruise the Bahamas, for instance...
In this sense, I can agree that personal preference might be relevant, but actually in a 50 to 60 feet trawler, the advantages of going for a single engine are overwhelming enough to make it a no brainer, in principle.
Having two problems rather than one is by far what I regret most of when I choose to buy my current boat.
rwoofer
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The Axopar cabin version was at the boat show and I really liked it. Very tempted myself....
The only real question for me is that the table/lounging space is a bit exposed and too tight for a family of 5. With our Merry Fisher we find we are always in the cockpit with the added benefit of the wheelhouse giving some protection in a windy anchorage.
z1ppy
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What i liked about the open was the helm seats would swivel and you could put a table between the rear facing helm seats and the forward facing bench (bench doesnt really do it justice.)
The rear cabin top provided great sun lounging opportunity and the bow are was also very practical.
Whilst others were helming the boat on trial i sat on the outside of the rear bench and felt very protected.
On the open version with the rear cabin there was LOADS of room in there. i am 6 ft plus and of the larger pie eating variant and there was buckets of room in there for me!
i must also say, the dealers (offshore powerboats in Lymington) were really very helpful and accommodating as well as answering my relentless questions
The rear cabin top provided great sun lounging opportunity and the bow are was also very practical.
Whilst others were helming the boat on trial i sat on the outside of the rear bench and felt very protected.
On the open version with the rear cabin there was LOADS of room in there. i am 6 ft plus and of the larger pie eating variant and there was buckets of room in there for me!
i must also say, the dealers (offshore powerboats in Lymington) were really very helpful and accommodating as well as answering my relentless questions
rafiki_
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Despite the monsoon I had a great day at SIBS. Had a good crawl over the Fairline 53, and I think the Fly version (LIBS next year) will be a really nice boat. Loved the Prinny S62. Great layout, and lots of space. The Pearl is really impressive, and the new 95 should be very special. Loved the Elling too. First time I've seen one of this, and I could imagine an Elling Rafiki in a few years. The Azi is a really classy bit of kit, although the styling doesn't do it for me. The Jeanneau's and Bavarias on the other hand were a bit disappointing. Furniture more MFI than IKEA. Nasty!
The weather meant that crowds were small, so boat access was fantastic.
Good chat with Jack on the IPC stand, and thanks to Richard again for my new watch
The weather meant that crowds were small, so boat access was fantastic.
Good chat with Jack on the IPC stand, and thanks to Richard again for my new watch
Coustea1
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Am I the only one who liked the Galeon boats at the SIBS? They have come a long way. Interior quality has definitely improved, and after a peek in the engine compartment it seems like they've put more effort in wiring, stringers etc.
Whitelighter
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I thought the jeanneau prestige boats were very impressive.
Thought the Beneteau GT 40 looked good - like a baby Sunseeker
Thought the Beneteau GT 40 looked good - like a baby Sunseeker
Coustea1
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The Beneteau GT 40 indeed looked fabulous. Especially the second cabin is a master stroke in my humble opinion. Cockpit space is fabulous too.
Whitelighter
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It's a development of the MC37/GT 38 of course. The internal layout is identical to the MC37 launched way back in 2007, apart from the colours and fabrics, and I'm surprised that none else has copied the longitudinal central second cabin. The start price looked good at £221k but the sales guy said you needed £300k for a ready to go boat and the one at sibs was £350k.
I was tempted by the MC37 when it launched and then it was a mere £140k.
The forced air step hull is clever and I thought the finish was much improved over previous models.
KINGFISHER 9
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I'm thinking of getting something bigger and the MC37 is top of my list .... second hand HT around 140k euros, soft top a good bit less.
Whitelighter
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There are a few mc37 hits around for well under £100k with the current euro rate. Nice boat, as I say inside layout is identical to the 'new' GT40. All early boats had a red hull, later came with dark blue or white. I don't think grey became available until the GT38 (but then you can always wrap it).
MapisM
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J, just curious: are you saying that because it sounds clever, or do you have any first hand experience on its advantages?
Overall drag reduction in planing hulls is a fine art, where both the optimization of hydrodynamic lines and the reduction of the wet surface by mean of ventilation (which, one way or another, implies sub-optimal hydrodynamic shapes) have their place.
And while the latter is undeniably effective for extremely fast, small-ish boats, it's neither here nor there for larger boats that typically cruise in the 20-25 knots range.
Imho, for hulls above 30 feet and not meant for cruising well above 30 knots, steps, airstep, air entrapment, or whatever, are all solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.
