Should Marinas require some sort of user ability

[LONG_KEELER]

Just wondering how folks feel about this. It may well be that your marina has it's own unique policy .
No doubt you may have witnessed events in a marina where lots of unhappiness has occurred. Due really to the "new to boating" user who has no idea what's really involved . It does of of course involve some loss of freedom in boating . I've always thought that it could be a form of revenue for the marina to offer a lesson and give confidence to newcomers. Perhaps there is some form of macho resistance with us blokes.

 

[jaminb]

No. I would be screwed

 

[Poignard]

Just wondering how folks feel about this.
No doubt you may have witnessed events in a marina where lots of unhappiness has occurred. Due really to the "new to boating" user who has no idea what's was involved.

The number of times I have seen damage done is a tiny fraction of the number of times I have seen people enter and leave marina berths.

There are sometimes horrendous cock-ups in marinas but people seem to get sorted out without any harm being done (except to their self-esteem) and learn from their mistakes.

I don't think we need any more unenforceable rules, do you?

 

[ridgy]

It's part of the fun watching others have learning experiences and if it gets that bad there is always insurance.
Not too mention, even highly qualified people can have the occasional learning experience.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

For those that desire it there are plenty of ways of getting basic boat handling skills.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

I don't think we need any more unenforceable rules, do you?

True. Just thought that marinas could at least offer a lesson. Until fairly recently , most boaters started out with swinging moorings and could make a number of inevitable cock up's outside of marinas and get the feel of a boat.
I would like to add that I have made many cock up's in marinas . They still happen now .

 

[Poignard]

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[Poignard]

Just wondering how folks feel about this. It may well be that your marina has it's own unique policy .
No doubt you may have witnessed events in a marina where lots of unhappiness has occurred. Due really to the "new to boating" user who has no idea what's really involved . It does of of course involve some loss of freedom in boating . I've always thought that it could be a form of revenue for the marina to offer a lesson and give confidence to newcomers. Perhaps there is some form of macho resistance with us blokes.

I wish you wouldn't keep adding sentences to your original post, which made no mention of lessons and macho resistance (whatever that is).

Anyway, my signature says it all:

“For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?” (Mr Bennett, Pride and Prejudice)

 

[LONG_KEELER]

A few seasons ago ,

I wish you wouldn't keep adding sentences to your original post, which made no mention of lessons and macho resistance (whatever that is).

Anyway, my signature says it all:

“For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?” (Mr Bennett, Pride and Prejudice)

Look mate !
If these forums unqualified allow old blokes to construct a thread with little idea of what they are talking about until after they have posted ...............

 

[johnalison]

It’s a lovely idea but what business is going to turn custom away willingly? They can and do insist on insurance, which is fair enough. My marina tests visitors’ skills by having hoops instead of cleats, which helps in the entertainment line for us residents with fixed lines.

 

[capnsensible]

True. Just thought that marinas could at least offer a lesson. Until fairly recently , most boaters started out with swinging moorings and could make a number of inevitable cock up's outside of marinas and get the feel of a boat.
I would like to add that I have made many cock up's in marinas . They still happen now .

That's why Neptune, great God of the sea, invented the RYA.

 

[Poignard]

A few seasons ago ,

Look mate !
If these forums unqualified allow old blokes to construct a thread with little idea of what they are talking about until after they have posted ...............

My first thought on seeing the thread title was that someone had bumped your boat and you were seething with righteous indignation.

 

[Wansworth]

The marina were I might keep my boat herein Galicia likes the yachts person to call a head and they send a marinero to help moor up

 

[Greemble]

It's part of the fun watching others have learning experiences and if it gets that bad there is always insurance.

How long before insurance companies decide they want a minimum training certification from an accountable organisation?

 

[MoodySabre]

It’s a lovely idea but what business is going to turn custom away willingly? They can and do insist on insurance, which is fair enough. My marina tests visitors’ skills by having hoops instead of cleats, which helps in the entertainment line for us residents with fixed lines.

And they are a bloody nuisance for those of us who sail single handed!

 

[MoodySabre]

How long before insurance companies decide they want a minimum training certification from an accountable organisation?

Never hopefully.

 

[ridgy]

How long before insurance companies decide they want a minimum training certification from an accountable organisation?

I don't know but they have known for a very long time who is crashing and what their qualifications are. Maybe they already know that qualified people are as likely to crash as unqualified. Maybe they already have a more efficient scheme in place called premium calculation which negates those concerns. After all they don't care who crashes as long as they come out on top.

 

[[70521]]

How long before insurance companies decide they want a minimum training certification from an accountable organisation?

Having just changed insurance companies they wanted an outline of my experience.

 

[Greemble]

I don't know but they have known for a very long time who is crashing and what their qualifications are. Maybe they already know that qualified people are as likely to crash as unqualified. Maybe they already have a more efficient scheme in place called premium calculation which negates those concerns. After all they don't care who crashes as long as they come out on top.

That could well be the reason they haven't wanted some sort of formal qualification scheme, so far...

Having just changed insurance companies they wanted an outline of my experience.

I had that as well, so it likely already figures in their calculations.

Presumably they've decided that setting up the various qualification curriculums & what should be included, who should run it, how centres might be judged as fit/capable to put on courses, the qualifications of the instructors/examiners, how the candidates would need to be assessed, etc. is just too costly for the numbers of people involved.

As ridgy says, they have the figures & those with qualifications from the RYA, et al do crash as much (maybe more for that matter) than unqualified sailors/boaters

 

[ashtead]

At least most uk marina users seem to have learnt about fenders and that waving a boat hook around on the bow is a pretty useless activity unlike some of the recent antics we witness en vaccance?