Sealine naming convention

[asteven221]

Although I am familiar with the different models in the Princess and Fairline ranges over the years, I am a bit confused with Sealine's naming convention. For example a Sealine 390S is over 44ft. Also, I know a F43 on the market for over £300k, yet I see F43 boats on the internet for £150k which in the photos look identical to me. That will likely be explained by the age difference so that leads me on to - is there anywhere that I can I find out when a model entered manufacture, ceased manufacture and how it was altered during production life? I assume that they were updated as time progressed as for example I have seen boats advertised with the same model name but different bathing platforms i.e. one you can step off to the side and one you can't.

I am starting to look around at possibly buying a Sealine in the 40ft to 45ft range 90's vintage, hence the request for info.

FYI the boats I have identified that look interesting are all flybridge models with the following naming convention:-

F43
F44
390S (S = Statesman?)
Statesman 410, 420, 450

Comments on the pros & cons of these models would be very interesting to hear.

Thanks everybody.

 

[Whitelighter]

I am not the authority on Sealines (That is Dvinell - sure he'll be buy in a bit) but I can give you some pointers on the boats you are looking at.

Firstly, Sealine run their models with little tweeks for a very long time. this is generally becasue they are one of the more innovative brands and there designs are often ahead of the market, meaning they get excellent service out of them. this does mean however that models with different names are basically the same boat, normally with a bigger/shorter bathing platform, flybridge layout/size or internal fixings and finishes.

For example, the 390, 410 and F43 are all fundamentally the same boat. Two cabin (three as an option though less popular), with the owners in the rear under the raised cockpit, flybridge boats.

The 390 was launched in 1993 and ran until 1995. 1996 it became the 410 with a bigger swim platform. 1997 it got wood joinery as standard over the previous grey stuff. 1998/1999 (not exactly sure) it became the F43 with redesigned windows, interior, trims and fb. Layout on all is the same, with the only difference internally being joinery, fabrics and window positions in the top sides and superstructure.

The 420, 440 and F44 are also the same boat. Not sure on the dates of these, but I beleive they are similar to the one listed above give or take a year or so either way (again, someone with more knowlege will give detail here I am sure.)

In case you go smaller, 350, 360, F36 and F37 are also fundamentally the same boat. F37 was the biggest change, with totally new superstructure and FB but the layout and hull across all four remained basically unchanged.

In terms or pros and cons, the 390, 410, F43 is by far and away one of the best FB designs in the last 20 years. Great layout, loads of flexibility and a boat the looks great. in terms of the price, the ones asking 300k are either focusing on a hoime market, massively optimistic or just got it wrong. I woudl expect to pay £150-£160k for a good F43 from around 2000. 410 with the wood interior and recent electronics should be around £110k. 390's are not so popular as look dated, and really should be sub £100k unless very much updated both inside and with electronics, deck cushions etc. Doesnt mean you will find them at these prices, as people are still asking silly money for some boats as there is no 'black book' as there is for cars etc, but be aware of the value to you, and dont forget that often the asking price is purely a starting point. That said, if you find a post 2000 F43 for under £150k, dont assume you can work on a big discount, as the owner is being realistic and it wont hang around for long.

 

[asteven221]

Thanks for the info whitelighter which is really useful.Where does the 450 Statesman fit in? Is it based on the 390/410/F43 or the 420/440/F44?

 

[Whitelighter]

I think the 450 was a standalone model which was basically a bigger version of the 390/410/F43 boat. I dont beleive the model ever evolved, being replaced by the F43.

 

[halcyon]

Thanks for the info whitelighter which is really useful.Where does the 450 Statesman fit in? Is it based on the 390/410/F43 or the 420/440/F44?

The 450 was the first big Sealine, nominally 45 foot, became the 490
The next model to come out was the 390, nominally a short 450, a number of components were even common. This was then updated, and came out as a 410, but the same hull.
The third boat in the range was the 420, nominal 42 foot, basically a totally new boat, the start of the next design stage.

Brian

 

[SpottyDog5]

I am not the authority on Sealines (That is Dvinell - sure he'll be buy in a bit) but I can give you some pointers on the boats you are looking at.

Firstly, Sealine run their models with little tweeks for a very long time. this is generally becasue they are one of the more innovative brands and there designs are often ahead of the market, meaning they get excellent service out of them. this does mean however that models with different names are basically the same boat, normally with a bigger/shorter bathing platform, flybridge layout/size or internal fixings and finishes.

For example, the 390, 410 and F43 are all fundamentally the same boat. Two cabin (three as an option though less popular), with the owners in the rear under the raised cockpit, flybridge boats.

The 390 was launched in 1993 and ran until 1995. 1996 it became the 410 with a bigger swim platform. 1997 it got wood joinery as standard over the previous grey stuff. 1998/1999 (not exactly sure) it became the F43 with redesigned windows, interior, trims and fb. Layout on all is the same, with the only difference internally being joinery, fabrics and window positions in the top sides and superstructure.

The 420, 440 and F44 are also the same boat. Not sure on the dates of these, but I beleive they are similar to the one listed above give or take a year or so either way (again, someone with more knowlege will give detail here I am sure.)

In case you go smaller, 350, 360, F36 and F37 are also fundamentally the same boat. F37 was the biggest change, with totally new superstructure and FB but the layout and hull across all four remained basically unchanged.

In terms or pros and cons, the 390, 410, F43 is by far and away one of the best FB designs in the last 20 years. Great layout, loads of flexibility and a boat the looks great. in terms of the price, the ones asking 300k are either focusing on a hoime market, massively optimistic or just got it wrong. I woudl expect to pay £150-£160k for a good F43 from around 2000. 410 with the wood interior and recent electronics should be around £110k. 390's are not so popular as look dated, and really should be sub £100k unless very much updated both inside and with electronics, deck cushions etc. Doesnt mean you will find them at these prices, as people are still asking silly money for some boats as there is no 'black book' as there is for cars etc, but be aware of the value to you, and dont forget that often the asking price is purely a starting point. That said, if you find a post 2000 F43 for under £150k, dont assume you can work on a big discount, as the owner is being realistic and it wont hang around for long.

Thanks for this info, most interesting.
Cheers

 

[yankee1]

Sealines

Looked hard at F42/5 last summer. Liked the amazing use of space and comfort. We were getting offers at or under £200k for mid 2000 year boats well equipped with low hours. I think you could buy one over the winter for that or less. Good luck. By the way, get the bigger engines!

 

[CX54WEK]

Looked hard at F42/5 last summer. Liked the amazing use of space and comfort. We were getting offers at or under £200k for mid 2000 year boats well equipped with low hours. I think you could buy one over the winter for that or less. Good luck. By the way, get the bigger engines!

There is a 2003 model F42/45 in our marina for sale at offers around 200k. Its far too big to be this far inland hence the price.