Seadog 30 vs Pentland

[ChrisReid]

I’m looking for advice and opinion.
Seadog 30 or westerly Pentland?

I’m 30, previously owned a folk boat, a little newbridge 22 and presently own a macwester 26 which I’ve sailed extensively round the uk.
She’s a great little boat however after more than a few experiences in some serious weather I’ve came to the conclusion I would like a heavily built centre cockpit “brick outhouse!”.

The obvious answer is an Amel 55 or a Moody 49 but being 30 years old and since my lottery numbers have yet to come up…

I’m now swaying between the far more realistic and budget friendly idea of a:
Seadog 30
Or
Westerly Pentland.

Could anyone give me advice on:
The pros/cons of each?
Some alternatives I may not have thought of.
Any other info or advice you think may help.

I’ve also considered:

Deep seadog
Hurley 9.5 motor sailer
LM 27
Pioneer Pilot 26
Colvic Watson(s) (various sizes)
Westerly Konsort duo
Etc etc…

All advice welcome.

Ps. Can probably tell I was that kid on Apollo duck and the yachtsnet archive almost daily.

 

[LittleSister]

You've posted this in the 'Wanted' forum (for buyers/sellers). Perhaps a passing Mod might see it and will kindly move it to the PBO or YM Scuttlebutt thread where it will likely get more views and responses.

 

[LittleSister]

In terms of your actual question, I'd say worry less in the first instance about the exact advantages/disadvantages of each model, and concentrate more on finding one of the general size/type in the right condition/price bracket/location for you. Probably any of several of those you mention (and others) could do, but condition and location of any actually for sale will likely be the determining factor.

I've written a fair bit on these forums before about the LM27, and you'll probably find those posts if you do a search. Obviously it ain't a centre-cockpit, nor 30+ feet, and is well-made rather than built like a brick outhouse.

 

[ChrisReid]

Thanks, can tell I’m new to posting in forums.
Do appreciate the reply, wonder if there’s a way to move the question to the right place.
I think you’re right with regard to the condition /location point.
The LMs and the mascot 28 are stunning boats, I think I would sway towards a 30+ft simply for the accommodation space and stability in the bigger swell.
LM 315 or 32 would be a dream, most close to 30k though.

 

[john_morris_uk]

You've posted this in the 'Wanted' forum (for buyers/sellers). Perhaps a passing Mod might see it and will kindly move it to the PBO or YM Scuttlebutt thread where it will likely get more views and responses.

Moved.

 

[LittleSister]

Moved.

But why to the Motorboat forum, John?

 

[john_morris_uk]

But why to the Motorboat forum, John?

Whoops. My mistake. It’s small hours and I wasn’t awake. I’ll move the thread to Scuttlebutt.

 

[Wansworth]

Define what you want out of your vessel,how you will really use it

 

[Iliade]

I'd add Beneteau Evasion 34 (etc) to your list. Very comfortable. Will only win races in F6 or above. But we get a lot of >F6 winds ;0)

(Or a Nauticat, if the coffers are doing well or if you're prepared to do a fair bit of work on it)

But I would also want to be able to take the ground. I made legs for mine, but you may prefer a lifting or bilge keeler. E.g. Southerly.

If you're local to SYC Shoreham do PM me...

 

[onesea]

Define what you want out of your vessel,how you will really use it

Make a list of all :
Necessity,
Should have,
Avoid,
Will not have,

Then as you look at a boat look at the list and decide how much your prepared to compromise.

 

[Stemar]

I reckon any of those boats would do the job, so I'm not going to say get this, not that, though I must confess that, budget permitting, I would put the LM27 near the top of my list. A couple of people in my club have them, and love them.

Personally, I'd start with my list of possibles, then look for the one I can afford that needs the least work. Not no work, because all boats need work. If y0u enjoy fettling, you may be able to spread the cost by buying a project, but you won't save money, you'll just spread the cost out a bit. Costing a project is simple. List everything you're you could possibly need and calculate the time and money involved. Now triple the time and double the money and add a significant contingency reserve for both.

A good engine is a must, and one you can live with. I have a Calalac with twin 20 HP Betas, I know two people who've just bought similar boats, one has twin 60HP outboards - yikes (fuel cost) and the other twin Yanmar 1GM 10s _ yikes (the noise). You seem to be leaning towards motorsailors, so I'd say that more HP is better than less, but reliability is more important.

New rigging is expensive, so you want it to have been replaced in the last 10 years, or budget for replacement.

Etc... Come back and ask more questions when you've digested this lot!

Finally my top tip is to look with your head, but buy with your heart. You want the boat that ticks as many boxes as possible, but just feels right. That's how we bought our first boat, and she did us proud for 19 years.

 

[Porthandbuoy]

Almost any 70's or later vintage centre cockpit cruiser would fit the bill. Unless you want a project, look for something that, at the very least, has been well maintained, ideally re-engined at some point, re-rigged in the past 10 years and with a decent (newish) sail wardrobe. That's what you need to go for a cruise.
Old, obsolete instrumentation is not so important. If it still works, great. If not it can be replaced piecemeal and/or supplemented by a tablet for navigation.
Creature comforts like new loo(s), heating, hot water and refrigeration can be added as crew demands escalate and budget permits.
I 'jumped' from a Nicholson 26 to a Neptunian 33 centre cockpit ketch. I was looking for a Westerly Renown.

 

[ashtead]

So many variables here;-
Budget approx;
Crew numbers;
Bilge keel? Looks like it’s important?
Mooring location and lifting out facilities?
Your engine skills?
There seem to be various accounts of westerly Discus slightly bigger though travelling far but what are you sailing plans?
Often on this forum people will know one make well but if looking for a pentland maybe info on Westerly owners assoc and cheap to join.
A lot in choice though depends on quality of what’s out there and proximity to your sailing area. Will you be prepared to buy in say Largs and sail south? Road transport? I assume you want to continue from uk.
It would seem space as posed to sailing ability is important? Do you have growing crew?
Whatever you do focus on that diesel -rengined is number1 prorirty and then when was rigging last changed?
Number of Moody bilge keeler at346 maybe ? out there plus various old southerlies . Historically Moody build was considered better than westerly and the prices in say1976 were higher .

 

[fredrussell]

How about a Colvic Countess 33. Always liked the look of them.

 

[V1701]

Just put your parameters into Apollo Duck & see what comes up, it's pointless us saying this or that boat would be a good choice if there's none for sale in your budget. Pick something that's not on it's original engine, preferably recent standing rigging, sails, good bunk cushions and functioning basic electronics & off you go. Bonus items would be dinghy/outboard, engine spares, tiller pilot, etc. The only thing I would add is if it were me I'd look for tiller rather than wheel - less expensive self steering options but that's not going to happen on anything centre cockpit. I wouldn't fixate on centre cockpit it limits your choice...

 

[fredrussell]

it's pointless us saying this or that boat would be a good choice if there's none for sale in your budget....

What? Suggesting ridiculously off-the-mark boats in threads such as this is one of the central tenets of The Forum. Heresy!

 

[Wansworth]

Something with a heated wheelhouse……

 

[Jacana139]

Hello Chris,

I have experience of both the Pentland, as my father had one 1980-85, and of a Deep Seadog which is my boat.
I would say that the Pentland was more of a sailing cruiser and has a better cockpit for 4 adults and accommodation below for 4 adults.
The Seadog is more of a motor sailer particularly upwind as the mast is far forward leaving a small jib. The cockpit is crowded with 4 adults and the forecabin is the heads. I would therefore say that the the Seadog is more suited to a cruising couple.
I prefer the traditional look and hull shape of the long keeled Seadog but that is a purely down to personal taste.

 

[Humblebee]

Don't know if this helps but there's a lot of info about the Pentland, and other Westerly yachts, on the Westerly owner's website.
Link here.

Pentland - Westerly-Wiki

 

[steve yates]

Simple, the westerly