Scrub downs illegal.

Sybarite · 27 Jul 2003

Saw a letter from the harbour master at La Rochelle pointing out that a law was passed in March 2002 prohibiting scrub downs between tides in France. In previous threads I have indicated that legislation was expected but apparently it is already here and, as usual, nobody is paying a blind bit of attention to it.

As France is usually the last country to conform with European requirements I was wondering what the situation is in the UK?

John

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longjohnsadler · 27 Jul 2003

John,
Hunting with dogs is on the way out, soon you can't talk on your mobile whilst driving, but here in the UK you can still have a shower when you damn well please.
How long have you been away?

Regards,

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ccscott49 · 27 Jul 2003

It's also illegal in holland, to stop antifoul being scrubbed off into the water?? But not yet in the UK I think, but maybe not enforced yet, wait a while, it will be!

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ccscott49 · 27 Jul 2003

It's also illegal in holland, to stop antifoul being scrubbed off into the water?? But not yet in the UK I think, but maybe not enforced yet, wait a while, it will be! We always do what brussels tells us, unlike the french, who make their own mind up! Good on em'!

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Rob_Webb · 27 Jul 2003

But the laternative is to simply go over the side on a sunny afternoon with a snorkel and a firm sponge and 'refresh' your hull, presumably with much the same effect?

I don't get it? It's alomst as if they are saying that using anti-foul is illegal even though you can still buy it and apply to your hull.....?

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ccscott49 · 27 Jul 2003

Actually when you remove it or even pressure wash/scrub your hull, the effluent, in holland anyway, is classified as toxic waste and has to be carted off and treated etc. It is collected in special areas, with captive drains etc.

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Mirelle · 28 Jul 2003

This looks like an over-enthusiastic interpretation of a recent international agreement, which requires shipyards (not boatyards) to do so. Quite obviously, several tons of, largely, TBT, will come off a large merchant ship being shot blasted back to bare steel below the waterline, (which is why very few of them ever are - the paint companies do a roaring trade in barrier coats!) and shipyards do have facilities for dealing with the stuff.

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ccscott49 · 28 Jul 2003

It may be that, but I know for sure it has been enforceable in holland for at least four-five years, in boatyards. I don't know about shipyards.

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BrendanS · 28 Jul 2003

There was a related thread back in Feb. I did some research and at least back then, it wasn't illegal in the UK, but a few places such as Salcombe had 'best practice' procedures.

http://www.ybw.com/cgi-bin/forums/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=pbo&Number=307225&Search=true&Forum=All_Forums&Words=salcombe scrubbing&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=306716

<hr width=100% size=1>Err, let me know if Depsol enters the forum, I'll go and hide

brianhumber · 28 Jul 2003

Re: Just the tip of the Iceberg.

Having a licence to take a shower will soon be compulsary as you could slip knock yourself out and drown in the tray. The MCA are now asking for citizens to be made to wear ID wrist bands whenever going near the water.

I am buggering off as fast I as can from the UK as soon as I reach 50 and can retire - 2 years to go and counting.

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vyv_cox · 28 Jul 2003

We recently watched boat owners scrubbing down inside the harbour at St Valery en Caux, so it would appear that the legislation has yet to reach the whole of France. A bit of antifouling in the water at Boulogne would be something of an improvement.

Interesting change of policy in Holland. Two years ago the government announced a total ban on copper-based antifoulings. In effect, this means all of them that work. International disputed this, sued the government, and lost. A ban came in last year and made life quite difficult for boat owners, although there was a good deal of "Nelson's blind eye" in some places but not in others.

Now it appears that the original basis for the ban, that wildlife damage on the Rhine was due to copper pollution, has been disproved. So it's about turn, and from now on all the copper-based antifoulings will be available again.

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Sybarite · 28 Jul 2003

My marina had their planning application to deepen the scrubbing berth turned down on the grounds of "pending legislation".

John

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Sybarite · 28 Jul 2003

When I see the enormous volume of water sluicing in and out of the Rade de Lorient twice everyday I feel that the diluting effect on the few square metres that I clean (once per year) must have an infinitesimally small impact on marine life - even if you multiply it by all the boats in the Rade. I would love to see the proof to back up the legislation. Is it another case of the wrong copper antifouling data that you highlight? Are we taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut ? To haul out the boat is going to add several £'00's to annual boating costs especially as it can only be done at yards with approved facilities which, as everybody knows, are recognized philanthropists.

John

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ParaHandy · 28 Jul 2003

Re: Just the tip of the Iceberg.

tch ... tch ... not got your RYA showermaster qualification? Part 1, pilotage, requires you to find the taps and negotiate the correct temp without scalding self (and crew .. hmmmm) in confined area and in good vis ... Part 2 ditto, with soap in your eyes ..

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ParaHandy · 28 Jul 2003

good idea ... spent this w/e doing my hull but ... in Gosport the muck and murk in the water already is such that couldn't see the hull unless goggles pressed right up against it. Having black a/f not such a good idea, mind you ....

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Stingo · 28 Jul 2003

I was told having black a/f is the answer because apparently whales perfer not to make love to something that is the same colour as a killer whale.

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ParaHandy · 28 Jul 2003

righto ... so Ms moby dick on the razzle dazzle in her little black number ain't going to pull ....... likely story!! ...

<hr width=100% size=1>Edited by ParaHandy on 28/07/2003 12:24 (server time).

maxi · 28 Jul 2003

Re: Scrub down Yarmouth IOW

Yarmouth has changed the name of it's scrubbing plies to "Inspection Piles", and woe betide anyone who trys to clean their hull. BUT, only 100 meters away, the boatyards continue to pressure wash, with all the anti-foul effluent flowing into the harbour and past those piles where we cannot scrub!!!!

Poor broken, stupid and hypocritical Britain.

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Stingo · 28 Jul 2003

<<so Ms moby dick...>>

Surely not? Must be "Ms Moby something else" unless this world has gone completely whacko...

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ParaHandy · 28 Jul 2003

oi ... moby got his leg over at some time and hence Ms Dick ....

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