DJE
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Hopefully ships stores can stay on the boat but item 1 in this story gave me pause to wonder.
Brexit: Five surprising consequences
Brexit: Five surprising consequences
Schengen entry procedure
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eddystone
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I’m not wholly sure this is correct but post Brexit our third country status is consistent vis a vis EU/Shengen area but I understood what you can or can’t take in varies by country.
Poignard
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You might have to put them under seal, as we used to have to do with the bond locker on MN ships when we visited an Arab port.
A minor inconvenience since the dozy official failed to notice the greased and easily removable hinge-pins on the bond locker door.
Dan Tribe
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My boat still has the bonded stores locker with the padlock hasp screws on the outside.You might have to put them under seal, as we used to have to do with the bond locker on MN ships when we visited an Arab port.
A minor inconvenience since the dozy official failed to notice the greased and easily removable hinge-pins on the bond locker door.
DJE
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Yes I've heard all the stories about bonded booze lockers with back doors! But I was thinking more about fresh meat, dairy products, fruit and vegetables which would have to be kept in the fridge. Commercial vessels presumably carry quantities of these products between countries.
Graham376
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You might have to put them under seal, as we used to have to do with the bond locker on MN ships when we visited an Arab port.
A minor inconvenience since the dozy official failed to notice the greased and easily removable hinge-pins on the bond locker door.
Customs in Gib put a self adhesive paper seal on ours a few years ago and it fell of within half an hour, wife had recently wax polished the door.
Sandy
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I have no problem visiting Belgium once we can travel again. Had a dose of the diesel bug when I was using red, I am convinced it was due to low turn over from the supplier. Tanks out and cleaned, two years later and no problems with the bug.
RupertW
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This is the concern - I wonder how officials will police it as they are entitled to inspect and confiscate those products (and fine your for bringing them in??)
JumbleDuck
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Panic over. FrieslandCampina have launched it in the UK and Amazon do it at eleven quid for 6 x 1 litre. They don't have the dark stuff yet, but I live in hope.
Sailing relevance: it's UHT treated and doesn't need refrigeration.
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On the news this morning, another aspect, slightly less of an issue, returned goods are being impacted as retailers have to manage the duty and Vat implications as well. Now considering that it is better to write off goods in UK than the hassle of reimporting. Retailer sector being discussed was clothing.
Glisferox
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Schengen advice from the EU, doesn't include boats.
I'm most intrigued to know how the owner of a UK boat with an Irish passport gets treated. Moreover if I move back to NI and register the boat there, how does that play?
Time will tell, not going to try Paimpol this year because of the lurgey, so I've three years to wait.
On Chocomel, the better half is up to her eye sorting out SPS stuff, it'll be interesting to see how the contents of our fridges are treated.
I'm most intrigued to know how the owner of a UK boat with an Irish passport gets treated. Moreover if I move back to NI and register the boat there, how does that play?
Time will tell, not going to try Paimpol this year because of the lurgey, so I've three years to wait.
On Chocomel, the better half is up to her eye sorting out SPS stuff, it'll be interesting to see how the contents of our fridges are treated.
Baggywrinkle
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Seven Spades
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If your U.K. boat was in the EUon 31/12/20 then you carry on as before.
If on the other hand your UK boat was in the U.K. on 31/12/2020 then it will have lost its EU goods VAT paid status and as an EU citizen you will not have 18 months of use in the EU you will be immediately liable for VAT on the vessel at the first EU port you call at.
EU citizens are not allowed to use non-vat paid vessels nor temporary Import them. If you have dual citizenship then you might get away with using your non-EU passport but I can tell you my wife has both U.K. and NZ passports and when she passes through airports it is known. At some point I expect that the EU will be providing ports with electronic terminals to register your entry and exit. This system is called ETIAS, it is going to monitor all arrivals and departures and manage the Schengen area In conjunction with the Thales system.
ETIAS - European Travel Information and Authorisation System
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/mark...security/government/eborder/entry-exit-system
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Glisferox
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Thank you, that is enlightening and worrying in some respects.
Graham376
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Is this correct? Other sources I've read state it's more of a residence issue so, if you're resident (or citizen) of a country that would apply but not when visiting other countries in EU.
syvictoria
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Unfortunately I believe this to be true, otherwise UK citizen's would have been able to take advantage of this for exporting a new boat (VAT free) to mainland Europe pre-Brexit?
Frogmogman
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One of the constraints of dual nationality is that you are not allowed to use your citizenship of one country to shield you from the legal requirements of the other country of which you are a citizen.
Seven Spades
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Correct that's why I said you might get away with it. It depends on whether IT systems are in place to recognise dual nationality.
Glisferox
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I suspect because of Frontex, they will recognise dual nationality Europe wide. The efficacy and nature of the tax regimens are variable, so that may afford some cover, though I hold out little hope.
I wonder if using an ATA Carnet would work, I've only used them for flying with equipment and suspect that a boat entering a country on its own bottom with a Carnet would be decidedly odd, however it may well place it firmly in the UK tax jurisdiction. I fear some very expensive legal opinion may be needed.
I wonder if using an ATA Carnet would work, I've only used them for flying with equipment and suspect that a boat entering a country on its own bottom with a Carnet would be decidedly odd, however it may well place it firmly in the UK tax jurisdiction. I fear some very expensive legal opinion may be needed.
st599
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There is a yacht category on the carnet application, but the security bond is 40% of the new price for the EU. Take in N. Africa on your trip and the bond is over 100%.