Scampi Mark 1

[Rowana]

Further to my previous post regarding a Trapper 300, I've also heard of a Scampi Mark 1 for sale.

From the reply by JJ, I think the Trapper may be a bit "lively" for us.

The next obvious question is this. What is your considered opinion of the Scampi?

I am DEFINATELY NOT looking for a racing machine, and a good sea boat is higher up the priority list.

Both are out of the water at the moment, so If I go and see either or both, I'll not get any idea as to their respective sailing qualities.

Once again, thanks in anticipation of the wisdom of the fourm

Jim


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[Twister_Ken]

Jim, I know little about the Scampi (Peter Norlin design, I think) except that when I used to do JOG races – a very long time ago – one called Olivia Anne was a consistent performer. I saw her again last season, looking good, so the build quality to take being raced very hard and still survive another twenty-something years is there.

I suspect if the Co32 hadn't been around at the same time, a lot more would have been sold over here.

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[penfold]

lively and seaworthy norlin design for 1/2 ton cup appeared sometime in the early seventies. nicelooking boat with solid hull construction, longish fin and skeg arrangement. I understand that the bulkhead and bracing at the mast could cause problems, but nothing that isn't easily picked up by a surveyor and relatively straight forward to fix. The ones I have come across had the engine in the forepeak with the prop emerging immediately aft of the keel, giving good weight distribution. I can't recall if the skeg actually supports the rudder or not.

A fairly typical IOR design; fast upwind, marginal stability downwind when overcanvased, although better than most contemporary designs. Masthead rig makes rollerreefing gear important for shorthanded sailing. Slightly cramped cockpit, loads of internal volume but not great head room, about 5'8" I think. A Scampi can provide safe, fast sailing for cruising and with good sails be rewarding to race. Bear in mind that this is a 25+ year old boat; a survey is essential.

HTH, cheers,
david

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[sailorman]

just keep an open mind.
the trapper is a good boat,
there is "lively" , "crankie" , "stodgie"& "helm like a stick in custard"
if you want fun, enjoyable, responsive sailing, = lively


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[graham]

Fully agree about not being put off by a boats good performance.
With a roller furling genoa and slab reefing main you can reef down in seconds from the safety of the cockpit.

The Trapper will still be sailing to windward in a blow when slower(safer?)designs are having to motorsail to make progress.You will need good oilies though!Also able to make progress in light airs,

Some of the older long keel designs might suit you combining good performance with sea kindliness in a blow. They wont be as roomy though. Contessa 26 , Invicta, Bowman, etc Albin Vega has good performance for a cruising boat and have crossed lots of oceans.The Vega has a bit more room below as well .They seem to be up for about 8 to 12 k. for a tidy one with a replacement diesel.

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[clydesailing]

The Scampi is a good boat - I considered going for one once. I can't imagine there are many left with the original yanmar up front and the dreadful hydraulic drive. An engine in the more usual place with a saildrive is the popular conversion. Early IOR small main and huge genoa to wind in with a massive kite and twin spinnaker poles. However they seem to cruise well. I'm not sure if it's Elysian in Kilmelford you're thinking about. Last time I saw that one the interior was, shall we say, an acquired taste with certain d.i.y. elements to it. However it may have been upgraded since then. Some Scampis were completely stripped out for serious racing way back when but the original factory interior is nice. Much more boat than the Trapper 300 obviously but no reason to discount it for cruising if the interior space is sufficient imho. Both are essentially cruisers which you wouldn't be embarrassed to race ie they are fun to sail. YM inexplicably messed up their January Trapper A-Z with a picture of the 300 against the story of the much more rare and obscure Trapper 30/950. A summary of the 300 would have been far more useful to more people.

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[Ohdrat]

I duno whether you got my PM with this one <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.bosuns.co.uk/Boatspec/yachtspec/eTrintella.htm>http://www.bosuns.co.uk/Boatspec/yachtspec/eTrintella.htm</A> Van de Stadt Trintellas were on my shortlist of boats to look at..

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[claymore]

Elysian was on Kilmelfords web site - it might be worth a shufti. Its had a paint job I think - never been aboard but its been out of the water for a while now so the price might be negotiable.

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[kidnapped]

Used to crew on one back in seventies ... half ton cup ... Clyde, west coast Scotland and N. Ireland. Found it to be a good boat, quite competitive ... had trouble from Nich 30's. We didn't 'line the windward rail to get her to move', and on one occasion surfed her down ... no option! ... a thirty foot+ wave with crew all on the stern and helm HARD, wouldn't go further, over. Most exilherating few minutes on a yacht! So would recomend them for normal cruising.
PS Anyone know where 'Maggie May' is now?

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[Aja]

Elysian, as far as I know has been in the same ownership for some years, and has been up for sale for over a year.

Donald

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