Sailing outside GB waters

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C1331 and Yachtline have always been requirements for sailing between UK and CI. But very widely ignored in the past. Now that they have been extended to France more people are paying attention to them. On arriving in Guernsey or Alderney from UK or France you will be required to complete a customs declaration in addition to any Covid formalities that are still in place.
I sailed from Dorset to Alderney quite a few years before Brexit, we still had to declare ourselves in the little office.
 

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Quite surprised at the cost of registration. I thought I'd done this, but possibly not.

As I understand it, I don't need Part 1 if I don't need a mortgage or wish to leave for longer than 6 months, so I can save £153, and just do the Part 3?

I'm glad I'm asking the question, I was under the impression i could just take my passport and my VHF ticket. Post Brexit it's a bit more involved. If I buy a new waterproof jacket from Decathlon while over there, it seems I would have to declare it and pay duty on it. As for the wine, stocking up and drinking enough on the passage back so you only have your allowance left seems an attractive but foolish option
 

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If I buy a new waterproof jacket from Decathlon while over there, it seems I would have to declare it and pay duty on it.

Only if you buy a an expensive one over £270...

Bringing goods into the UK for personal use

There is probably also an exemption for bringing in stuff bought outside UK because you needed to use it while away, like clothing. The same as no-one being interested in VAT on a Corribee because the value is low, I doubt anyone would be interested in clothing you needed for your trip, anything that was used while away, or is attached to the boat. Sailing a small boat you are not their target unless they have some other reason to believe there's any wrongdoing. Customs have bigger fish to fry.
 
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Thanks for your reply. To complicate matters, I'm considering changing the name of her following a refurb. I registered with the SSR when I first bought her so I would have to change the name. Evidence of mooring to prove I was in GB would be redundant then, surely?
The small ship registry did not mind a jot when we changed our old boats name. They already had the documentation to prove we had bought it.
 

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What a paragon of virtue you are. I'm sure you would have been appreciated by the Stasi's Main Directorate of Reconnaissance.
I disliked the French taking the p..s & having a blatant disregard for covid rules & customs rules ( I am less worried about customs), not only for the UK but for their own side. I was later asked why I had failed in my duty, by some club members, when relating the story , for not having reported them. They felt I should.
Our group, who were in a "bubble" on a group cruise, were sitting on our own outside. The French came & plonked down with us. I kept trying to maintain social distance & it was joked (as one frenchman kept moving closer everytime he spoke to me) that much longer & I would be falling off the balcony. Eventually I gave up & left early.
 
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I love these fantastic way over the top responses. Made my day, ta. ??
Well, your appreciation of my response mirrors my appreciation of someone who want's to dob in a fellow sailor in for transgressing what is a poorly considered and even more poorly implemented set of rules, though I realise they don't affect you so your complacence is understandable.
 

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Only if you buy a an expensive one over £270...

Bringing goods into the UK for personal use

There is probably also an exemption for bringing in stuff bought outside UK because you needed to use it while away, like clothing. The same as no-one being interested in VAT on a Corribee because the value is low, I doubt anyone would be interested in clothing you needed for your trip, anything that was used while away, or is attached to the boat. Sailing a small boat you are not their target unless they have some other reason to believe there's any wrongdoing. Customs have bigger fish to fry.
Very many years ago (1985!) I went skiing in Austria, and enjoyed it enough to consider buying my own equipment. I'm glad I didn't as I wrecked my knee the following summer! Austria was not at that time a member of the EU but we were, so generally, import duties etc, were payable on goods over the personal allowance bought in Austria. However, at that time the general advice was that you could buy equipment in Austria and as long as you used it while in Austria, import duties etc. were not chargeable - they became personal effects. I don't know how true that was, but it was the general line from all the ski equipment places!
 

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Well, your appreciation of my response mirrors my appreciation of someone who want's to dob in a fellow sailor in for transgressing what is a poorly considered and even more poorly implemented set of rules, though I realise they don't affect you so your complacence is understandable.
Gout playing up?
 

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Well, your appreciation of my response mirrors my appreciation of someone who want's to dob in a fellow sailor in for transgressing what is a poorly considered and even more poorly implemented set of rules, though I realise they don't affect you so your complacence is understandable.
It affects all of us if it spreads covid amongst the community & their actions were in the order of " Who gives a flying f...?"
 

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Very many years ago (1985!) I went skiing in Austria, and enjoyed it enough to consider buying my own equipment. I'm glad I didn't as I wrecked my knee the following summer! Austria was not at that time a member of the EU but we were, so generally, import duties etc, were payable on goods over the personal allowance bought in Austria. However, at that time the general advice was that you could buy equipment in Austria and as long as you used it while in Austria, import duties etc. were not chargeable - they became personal effects. I don't know how true that was, but it was the general line from all the ski equipment places!
Well, that was what i thought. You only pay duty on unused stuff. But as with all things Brexit, it seems the rules are somewhat..... flexible/made up on the spot.

How they would prove that a waterproof jacket you are wearing was bought in France or GB would be interesting. 4 litres of spirits plus 42 litres of beer - that makes 8 litres of spirits and 84 litres of beer if there are two of us. I doubt my boat would float with 94litres of alcohol in it
 

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Austria was not at that time a member of the EU but we were, so generally, import duties etc, were payable on goods over the personal allowance bought in Austria. However, at that time the general advice was that you could buy equipment in Austria and as long as you used it while in Austria, import duties etc. were not chargeable - they became personal effects. I don't know how true that was, but it was the general line from all the ski equipment places!
I'm sure it was never really true - just as you should pay VAT on a secondhand yacht if you import it into the EU, you should pay VAT on imported skiing equipment, whether new or secondhand. The difference is that tourists regularly travel in and out with ski equipment and no-one ever checks it in and out - it's low value, so not worth bothering with.
 

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If Covid rules are still in place - unlikely, but who knows - don't play fast and loose with them. We came back from 10 days in France yesterday, and I sked the guy in passport control if he wanted our track and trace letters. He replied that he didn't need it, it was all on computer, linked to our passports. Big Brother is watching...

OTOH, it was probably the quickest we've gone through. One minute at passport control, and straight out of the gate. No questions about quantities of booze or anything else. The customs folk were there, but clearly had other interests, as the were looking vigilant, but for someone else.
 

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Yet on one visit to Boulogne in 2019 the customs spent 1 hour 5 mins aboard my yacht.
Went throught everything, even my bedding. I was the only boat they visited.
In 2004 my wife & I cruised down to the west coat of France starting at Boulogne & we logged no fewer than FOURTEEN customs officers aboard in 4 months
 

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Yet on one visit to Boulogne in 2019 the customs spent 1 hour 5 mins aboard my yacht.
Went throught everything, even my bedding. I was the only boat they visited.
In 2004 my wife & I cruised down to the west coat of France starting at Boulogne & we logged no fewer than FOURTEEN customs officers aboard in 4 months
Some people just look guilty ?
 
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