Sailing outside GB waters

[dunedin]

Oh, no I don't! I didn't declare Charlie Barley's speciality on the way out either.

Are you being in trouble maker / pedant mode (again ), as in post #4 you referred “to returning to GB waters”, so presumably just visited Norn Ireland from Alba. So all within UK but not GB?
And HMRC Notice 8 excludes NI to GB and NI to Ireland (but doesn’t give any alternative source of info). But this would hardly help the OP considering crossing from UK to France

 

[Juan Twothree]

By personal inclination, I'm in the former category myself.

I'd never have guessed!

 

[guernseyman]

One of my plans for the future is to sail across the channel from Plymouth to either France or Channel Islands. I own a Corribee built in the 1970s and have full confidence that the boat is capable of it at least.

The technicalities are documentation. as I have none. I understand that visiting the Channel Islands should not be a problem, and France may be. Do I need to have anything stamped on arrival in France, and does that dictate where my first port of arrival will be?

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Two days before arriving in Guernsey you would need to create a Travel Tracker account: traveltracker.gov.gg
But it will be more complicated if you have landed outside the Common Travel Area (i.e. British Isles + the three Crown Dependencies) in the previous 10 days.

 

[awol]

Are you being in trouble maker / pedant mode (again ), as in post #4 you referred “to returning to GB waters”, so presumably just visited Norn Ireland from Alba. So all within UK but not GB?
And HMRC Notice 8 excludes NI to GB and NI to Ireland (but doesn’t give any alternative source of info). But this would hardly help the OP considering crossing from UK to France

It was the OP who titled the thread, not I. But, yes, guilty as charged. However, the south to north Ireland and hence to Scotia route is unregulated as far as I can tell.

 

[cherod]

Are you being in trouble maker / pedant mode (again ), as in post #4 you referred “to returning to GB waters”, so presumably just visited Norn Ireland from Alba. So all within UK but not GB?
And HMRC Notice 8 excludes NI to GB and NI to Ireland (but doesn’t give any alternative source of info). But this would hardly help the OP considering crossing from UK to France

the OP had no concerns with travelling from UK to France , his concerns were in re entry into UK waters ( from France ).
so far he has had miss / false information on his enquirey and various speculations on issues which he did not enquire . vg.

 

[LadyInBed]

The article is recent and has some relevent links embedded. I assume that it's accurate! Boat owners need to carry VAT proof onboard post-Brexit - Yachting Monthly

 

[doug748]

One of my plans for the future is to sail across the channel from Plymouth to either France or Channel Islands. I own a Corribee built in the 1970s and have full confidence that the boat is capable of it at least.

The technicalities are documentation. as I have none. I understand that visiting the Channel Islands should not be a problem, and France may be. Do I need to have anything stamped on arrival in France, and does that dictate where my first port of arrival will be?

However, my main concern is coming back. (Face to face with UK Border Force: lessons learned - Yachting Monthly). I have no evidence of VAT on my boat (I bought it in 2006), and since a previous owner has managed to grind away the hull number I don't even have any idea how old it was. The last Corribee was made in 1980, and taking this to an extreme, there's not even much evidence that the boat IS a Corribee...

Anyway, in the event that a trip outside GB happens, what documentation should I carry for the boat I have?

This is the form mentioned in post 17:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...s/attachment_data/file/947760/C1331-12-20.pdf

I would make a couple of copies now so if it is withdrawn (doubtful in the short term) and replaced with a inconvenient app, you can use it anyway. You post off one part, ring them on your return and then post off part 2.

Apart from this you will need to get your passport stamped on arriving and leaving France. You will also need to comply with whatever Covid regs are in place at the time. I would get written proof of double vaccination and carry it plus the NHS app confirmation, if you can:

Get your NHS COVID Pass letter

Also the boat docs mentioned above - registration, bill of sale and what not.

I would not even think about VAT, the majority of old boats have no records, you would need a vivid imagination to imagine a Corribee owner was working a VAT fiddle.


Because of the passport thing Roscoff is a good place to aim for, but a long haul for you. Guernsey is a much better bet first and then on to Cherbourg or Jersey / St Malo. By next summer it may be much clearer which smaller ports and marinas are viable for a first stop. Or, indeed if France firms up a web based pre-entry scheme like the Covid Travel Tracker mentioned by Guernseyman.


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[cherod]

operation Colditz ,

 

[Sandy]

Make sure you check into France at a port of entry, Roscoff for example. Make sure you check into a UK port of arrival, Plymouth for example. Border Force visit quite often and have boarded friends in The Scilly Isles.

 

[Daydream believer]

Make sure you check into France at a port of entry, Roscoff for example. Make sure you check into a UK port of arrival, Plymouth for example. Border Force visit quite often and have boarded friends in The Scilly Isles.

Surely Cherbourg would be a good start because it will have lots of UK visitors & be well clued up on how to deal with UK boats & understand the sort of issues that we might have. In which case, on a good day they MAY be a bit more sympathetic. Unlike, say, Boulogne with a big fishing community

 

[Sandy]

Surely Cherbourg would be a good start because it will have lots of UK visitors & be well clued up on how to deal with UK boats & understand the sort of issues that we might have. In which case, on a good day they MAY be a bit more sympathetic. Unlike, say, Boulogne with a big fishing community

If the OP was starting at Plymouth why detour all the way to Cherbourg?

 

[DJE]

The relevant page on the RYA site is here;

Paperwork | boating abroad | RYA

I have a nagging memory about a French rule prohibiting boats less than 7m long from sailing offshore. But I can't find any details about it.

 

[Gary Fox]

The relevant page on the RYA site is here;

Paperwork | boating abroad | RYA

I have a nagging memory about a French rule prohibiting boats less than 7m long from sailing offshore. But I can't find any details about it.

The 7m rule obviously doesn't apply to inflatables in the Dover Strait, or we wouldn't have so many arriving on the beaches of Kent.

 

[ronsurf]

Many thanks for the helpful links and up to date information. There's a lot of information online but most of it is pre-Brexit and out of date. Advice of good ports to arrive at has changed with the end of freedom to travel and the need to get your passport stamped now. Is this done at the marina/club or do you have to find a government office? And are they likely to be open over a weekend when I am most likely to be arriving.

Arriving at Plymouth isn't an issue, it's where I live. I have to sail past the Border Force vessel to get to the sea when it's moored in the Cattewater.

Just to clarify - if I go to the Channel Islands instead, none of this applies? I'd obviously take my passport and ships papers but there's no requirement to call YachLine (is this new? I've never heard of it before)

Also, has anyone ever had a C1331 form returned due to lack of information? My boat doesn't have a hull number, I don't know when it was made. I guess I could put 'before 1980' as that was when the last Corribee was made?

 

[Daydream believer]

If the OP was starting at Plymouth why detour all the way to Cherbourg?

Sorry , point taken. I was thinking of Portsmouth.
But Roscoff is a long way for a first trip from Plymouth. Even the CIs is a fair trip( I assume that it is the first) in a small boat . There are no bolt holes on the way. Personally I would like to have the boat moved east first (say a weekend before) then make it a short hop south for the holiday.
But is that just as hard anyway? I do not know the area. I have only sailed the French coast & CIs plus gone to Falmouth & west from the CIs,
But to each his own & it depends on OP's aspirations & experience

 

[Daydream believer]

Also, has anyone ever had a C1331 form returned due to lack of information? My boat doesn't have a hull number, I don't know when it was made. I guess I could put 'before 1980' as that was when the last Corribee was made?

Borrow a Dremel & grind a number in on the transom yourself. Who is to know it is not right?

 

[doug748]

"Also, has anyone ever had a C1331 form returned due to lack of information? My boat doesn't have a hull number, I don't know when it was made. I guess I could put 'before 1980' as that was when the last Corribee was made?"


Further to post 27.

This is one of the towering advantages of the postal form

Discounting all the other disadvantages........................Any app based digital form can simply not accept blank or incomplete information even though the requested information does not exist. So you either make it up, leaving you in the position of being accused of trying to mislead, or you can't go legally.

With your written form you say: not known, and explain why if you like. Returning the form back to you is not an issue you have gone.

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[DJE]

Just to clarify - if I go to the Channel Islands instead, none of this applies? I'd obviously take my passport and ships papers but there's no requirement to call YachLine (is this new? I've never heard of it before)

C1331 and Yachtline have always been requirements for sailing between UK and CI. But very widely ignored in the past. Now that they have been extended to France more people are paying attention to them. On arriving in Guernsey or Alderney from UK or France you will be required to complete a customs declaration in addition to any Covid formalities that are still in place.

 

[lustyd]

This is one of the towering advantages of the postal form

Discounting all the other disadvantages........................Any app based digital form can simply not accept blank or incomplete information even though the requested information does not exist. So you either make it up, leaving you in the position of being accused of trying to mislead, or you can't go legally.

With your written form you say: not known, and explain why if you like. Returning the form back to you is not an issue you have gone.

The same reason I insist on paying cash occasionally. A cashless society has an enormous number of disadvantages, and I was dismayed last week to learn Visa now issue to children in order to bring about the end of cash.

 

[Gary Fox]

The same reason I insist on paying cash occasionally. A cashless society has an enormous number of disadvantages, and I was dismayed last week to learn Visa now issue to children in order to bring about the end of cash.

Totally agree