Sail to power: coming to our senses

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Well, I've posted about this topic a few times and it's not decided yet, but after a long chat tonight the decision is coming closer.

Assuming we go ahead, here's my dilemma.... accommodation and space below is important, we want something big enough to use as an apartment, but I'm getting very nervous about spending all my money plus some, and buying a 50-odd footer as a starter mobo. Ideally we've got about 180k max to throw at this. Example, Targa 48/52, Camargue 50, Princess V52. Boats like this would I'm sure meet the brief for both accommodation and the smoother/stable ride and seakeeping in the max F4/5 that we'd choose to go out in. Concerns are handling, parking, costs, and reliability (as we could only afford a boat at this size, about 17-20 years old).

One transition option would be to go for something that's much smaller internally than we'd ideally want but which is newer, cheaper to buy and run and which we can use to learn on, and sell on in a couple of seasons. Hence, maybe, a more sensible decision. Examples might be Targa 39/42, Princess V42, Sealine S38. Or, newer examples of coupe /HT style boats from Ben/Jen/Bav etc.

Is this a bad idea... advantages seem to be that it's a smaller boat for less money and lighter, more forgiving of a mistake, easier to handle, less to go wrong, easier to park, cheaper to berth and insure, uses (much) less fuel, less depreciation. I'd be concerned that the ride/security/stability that my wife finds very important might be missing in a smaller boat.

Comments welcome.
 
Yes broom a good call as you don’t like flybridges.
The size won’t hurt you in terms of learning - a 50 is as easy to handle as a 40, in some ways easier.
But costs don’t go up proportionally to length, more like to weight and a 50 costs loads more than a 40 to run, approaching double I’d say. .
If you can find a shaft drive S43 that might be an option. 2 heads and quite specious.
 
Except the op doesn’t like FB boats

Well it's more that my lovely wife doesn't like them.

We've actually been to see a Swift Trawler, (last year when this first blew up), it's a lot of space for the money but it didn't score so well on the 'walk up to it' test ie appearance.

Might be attracted to the coupe style with patio doors (or whatever you might want to call them)... In fact for UK boating makes more sense than an open sports cruiser. Wonder if there are any that have the galley and saloon / seating area up at cockpit level, and only sleeping accommodation and bathroom(s) below?
 
Also consider S48 if stability / wave squashing ability is a priority.
This one is under offer, but they do appear every now and again.
TAMD74Ps on shafts, 13,000kg.

https://www.boatshop24.co.uk/offshore-cruisers/sealine-s48/339204

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I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but just in case...

Go and have a chat with clipper about a Bav sport 36 or 40. Our 37 Sport HT is great for us. Fits on a 12m berth, two good cabins, aircon, gen and most importantly space! Your budget will be tight, but there are some out there.
 
Hi mcanderson, yes you did indeed, and I plan to do that. When I was getting sucked into the appeal of ever-bigger (and older) boats I'd kinda moved on but now I can see that something like this might work. How do you find your boat handles less-than-ideal conditions (say F5 choppy waters?)
 
From your requirements I am not sure the modern sports style long bow boats that will boast 30 - 35 knots or more are really what you might want, especially as you are accustomed to ~ 5-6 knots, and suggest you at least consider the slower, more sedate, and certainly immensely comfortable Trawler style motor yachts. You can drop at least 6 - 8' from your nominated 50' and still have the same usable space inside as you are not buying a massive bow section. You will also find the majority of the deck is actually usable.

Not sure what your budget is, but certainly Hatteras, Trader 42, Grand Banks, larger Aquastar, possibly even a Fleming. Designed for a slower speed and enjoying the journey, and at the same time being frugal with fuel and not having mahoosive engines. So running costs will be less.
 
From your requirements I am not sure the modern sports style long bow boats that will boast 30 - 35 knots or more are really what you might want, especially as you are accustomed to ~ 5-6 knots, and suggest you at least consider the slower, more sedate, and certainly immensely comfortable Trawler style motor yachts. You can drop at least 6 - 8' from your nominated 50' and still have the same usable space inside as you are not buying a massive bow section. You will also find the majority of the deck is actually usable.

Not sure what your budget is, but certainly Hatteras, Trader 42, Grand Banks, larger Aquastar, possibly even a Fleming. Designed for a slower speed and enjoying the journey, and at the same time being frugal with fuel and not having mahoosive engines. So running costs will be less.
This is all true. But the driver for the change is Mrs Scala who does not find these appealing for a variety of relatively ill-defined reasons so it's a hard thing to find a compromise... :)
 
This is all true. But the driver for the change is Mrs Scala who does not find these appealing for a variety of relatively ill-defined reasons so it's a hard thing to find a compromise... :)
Ah, I am not sure I can help you with the undefined feminine side of life, and how this might influence things. I do know in my case SWMBO is most happy when there is a clean and private loo including a decent shower (hot and cold running water obviously), electric kettle, low & accessible decks, and an accessible bed.
 
Ah, I am not sure I can help you with the undefined feminine side of life, and how this might influence things. I do know in my case SWMBO is most happy when there is a clean and private loo including a decent shower (hot and cold running water obviously), electric kettle, low & accessible decks, and an accessible bed.

Nothing different here :) We have all of that and more on the yacht; question is, what compromises are required to replicate all of that in a mobo that also meets her style, safety and comfort requirements, and my performance, seakeeping and cost criteria too? Add ease of short-handed parking into the mix too. It's not an unusual dilemma I think.
 
Nothing different here :) We have all of that and more on the yacht; question is, what compromises are required to replicate all of that in a mobo that also meets her style, safety and comfort requirements, and my performance, seakeeping and cost criteria too? Add ease of short-handed parking into the mix too. It's not an unusual dilemma I think.

Could the problem be more one of sailing style and less of boat style? At the risk of overgeneralising, I think that most women don't like adventurous sailing. Several of our (male) friends find themselves sailing alone because of this. They are only happy with the boat heeling at forty degrees or more, water running down the side decks and hanging on for dear life at the helm. I do know a couple of women who think likewise, but very few in comparison with the men. My wife loves sailing and far prefers sailing boats over mobos, but her approach to sailing is to reef early, drop sail and resort to engine soon after reefing and never willingly go out in anything more than a force 4.
 
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