jordanbasset
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Not really, the skipper of the big boat seems to be keeping a look out by the sound of the horns
Sad case of deaths at sea.....not keeping watch
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MystyBlue2
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I have yes, i know he shouldn't be there and he is at fault 100% BUT he is an obstruction to the larger vessel so i cant understand why they cant just WAIT instead of pushing through and having a potential accident.
Its just like overtaking on a blind corner.....just wait until the road opens up!
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MystyBlue2
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OMG Athomson....What have you done! Hahaha
MystyBlue2
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And like i have learned from this thread, The larger ship will have the crew on the bridge keeping a lookout too. So visibility shouldn't be an issue here. It's not dark for starters!
madabouttheboat
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Is he though? If you look at the video from about 27 seconds through to 40 odd seconds you can see what looks like a mooring buoy in front of the little boat. He may even, on a long line, be tied to it. Regardless, if that is a mooring buoy, that ship is too close to a line of moorings IMHO. You see it later in the video as he sails further along the river too.
Sandy
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The big boat can't see the small boats. The small boats are impeding the big boat and should, as this clearly is an American clip, shift their asses. But no that interferes with their constitutional right to do anything where they want when they want - in this case fish from small boats. Read the ColRegs and Local Rules.
I'm in Plymouth and if we get anywhere the big stuff we get jumped on by the Queens Harbour Master (QHM) especially if it is coloured Grey or black and sits low in the water (actually the men in black with big guns sort us out if we go anywhere near a submarine). A recent example was a pal returning to the marina turns the corner and is called by QHM asking what his intentions were, then told to hold while they sorted something out with an exercise was happening with a moored ship, a tug and we suspect other assets.
A really useful pamphlet that the MOD produce summarizes the issues. The second page illustrates the problems the bridge crew will have.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi...ways-guide-2018_final_v2_updated.pdf?la=en-gb
anoccasionalyachtsman
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I don't think that the ship's bothered by the boats in the foreground, he's warning something up ahead with the 5 blasts (your intentions are not clear) that they need to think about where they're going. We don't know any more than that.
As for just stopping... he's going downstream in a river - have you any idea how hard that's going to be?
MystyBlue2
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Yeah ok maybe not, And as i have 0 experience with large ships like that i cannot comment on its stopping distance BUT surely the crew on the deck would notify the captain in ample time to slow down WAY before they reached the small boat even by throwing the ship in reverse and continuing to blast his horn, Which would enable the smaller fishing boat to lift anchor/untie from buoy and get out the way in plenty of time?
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Just reading this: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi...ways-guide-2018_final_v2_updated.pdf?la=en-gb
" Five or more short blasts on the whistle is the ‘danger’ signal. Check and see if it is for you and if it is MAKE AWAY FAST!"
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Can't keep steerage if they slow down too much. Looks like a fast current so he might have only been going very slow through the water already. Not much bow wave so probably so. If he put it in reverse and ended up getting to that bridge going sideways would be a bigger problem
MystyBlue2
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Ah right ok then i stand corrected.
Its scenarios such as this one that confuse the hell out of me. This is why i boat in empty spaces and dart from all boats that come within 500yards of me!
Its scenarios such as this one that confuse the hell out of me. This is why i boat in empty spaces and dart from all boats that come within 500yards of me!
anoccasionalyachtsman
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Best way to start out. Asserting any sort of 'right' is best left until you know all the rules.
Talking of which - get yourself a copy of Reeds Almanac. It's got all those rules, lights and signals, but also charts of all the harbours, tide times for them and a whole heap of info that could come in incredibly handy.
The main thing with boating is to understand that you don't know just how much you don't know - and that those of us who've been bumbling around at it for years still keep learning.
penfold
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Don't get in front of ships that are RAM, you will lose; it's fair to say there are special restrictions on the Solent but anywhere large vessels are in narrow navigable channels discretion is the better part of valour, etc.
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What goes over the side of the yacht at 24 seconds? Looks like someone climbs down over the side. Pause it at 23 seconds and go frame by frame using the <> keys and you'll see it. And then their seems to be a head in the water.
dom
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wow bold move. Can't see if they jumped slightly before they got into its path, it looks like right in front of it. Reminds me of these chronic geniuses
MystyBlue2
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So in a snap situation, Where you need to think and act quickly, How do you determine who has right of way, Who should move and who shouldn't. If I'm at anchor in the open and a large ship comes really close and I'm not in a shipping lane....what is the best solution? Even with completing my PBL2 and going to move onto Advanced once lockdown is lifted, Some scenarios still confuse me. Obviously i need to make sure my decision is the right one.
Surely the only option isn't to just flee the scene every bloomin time?
Surely the only option isn't to just flee the scene every bloomin time?
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MystyBlue2
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JESUS!!!
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It is really. If you can safely get out of the way and if staying there is more risky then it is always going to be the right thing to do the least risky thing. If you are crossing the road at a zebra crossing, even if its a pelican crossing and the little green man is telling you its your right to cross you're not going to stand there on a point of principle if a truck comes hurtling at you. Same thing really. Ships have great trouble stopping and rapid changes of direction aren't their strong point either, they can't weave in and out between little boats. If you go to the end of the yacht hitting one you'll see the ship has a tug behind it helping it steer.
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