RYA Level 2 Powerboat - only up to 10m?

[ingenious]

I had booked to do my Powerboat level 2 next week but my original provider has had to cancel so have rebooked elsewhere.
It's only now I received the joining instructions I see the ICC from this only covers boats up to 10m and that additional training is required for the next level ( up to 24)
This wasn't mentioned on the original provider's site and, of course, the new one is closed for the weekend right now.
Anybody know what the additional scope is?
Boat I'm looking at buying is just over 11m. It's not a big issue as I'm going to France to look at boats the following week but will be back in UK at least once more before I need to use a boat.
The other option I'm wondering about is getting a French trainer to do some specific training on my own boat.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

‘Power boat’ in RYA terms means a RIB typically. If you want / need the 24m ICC then you need to do the Motor Cruising Day Skipper (or higher). In your shoes I’d do that. Or an independent ICC assessment on your own boat if you prefer.

 

[ctva]

Info here… https://assetbank-eu-west-1.s3.eu-w...03d88d6a5c88337ec43f31f1de80a907eb9b2935dce04

 

[ingenious]

‘Power boat’ in RYA terms means a RIB typically. If you want / need the 24m ICC then you need to do the Motor Cruising Day Skipper (or higher). In your shoes I’d do that. Or an independent ICC assessment on your own boat if you prefer.

I looked at that but you need verified experience to join that course. All my experience is either 20 years old or on hire boats on canals.
Yes, the course next week is on a RIB, the other provider had a small flybridge.
I've had a look at a couple of English-speaking places in southern France so will make contact when I'm down there even if it's only for some experience rather than formal assessments

 

[PeterBoater]

Do the RYA Inland Waterways Helmsman's Course on a narrowboat/barge >10m and then apply for the ICC. That's how I got mine but probably best to check with the RYA for the current situation. I think you need to do Powerboat Level 2 as well on tidal waters for the Coastal ICC ticket, the narrowboat plus CEVNI exam will get you the Inland ICC ticket.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yes, that’s right. The link posted by ctva in post 3 sets out the prerequisites. The inland waters practical courses fail for ICC motorboating purposes because you don’t have coastal waters. This basically means theory knowledge - navigation and Colregs etc.

 

[Howardp]

If it's less than 10m in length then PB2 would do it (bearing in mind there is no distinction between Inland and Coastal at PB2 level now). If its over 10m but less than 24m suggest Day Skipper is the one to do.

 

[PeterBoater]

If it's less than 10m in length then PB2 would do it (bearing in mind there is no distinction between Inland and Coastal at PB2 level now). If its over 10m but less than 24m suggest Day Skipper is the one to do.

But the OP requires a >10m ICC, so PB2 on its own won't cut it.

 

[Howardp]

Agreed, that's what I said.

 

[Greg2]

I might be wrong but isn't the size of boat you do the PB level II training and assessment in a factor i.e. if the vessel is over 10m it will cover larger boats but if less than 10m is restricted to 10m boats? That was the case when I did the ICC (many years ago) - I did it in our own boat for that very reason and as such was/am covered up to 24m.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

To get >10 on the ICC you need the advanced PB cert of competence, not PB2.

 

[Alicatt]

I might be wrong but isn't the size of boat you do the PB level II training and assessment in a factor i.e. if the vessel is over 10m it will cover larger boats but if less than 10m is restricted to 10m boats? That was the case when I did the ICC (many years ago) - I did it in our own boat for that very reason and as such was/am covered up to 24m.

That is what the instructor said to the guy that was doing the PB2 along with us, do the assessment on his own boat which is >10 to get the up to 24m cert.

I am going to have to do the Day Skipper or PB Advanced for our boat as it's a bit over the 10m LOA, and the waterline length is 10.5m, I'm hesitant about putting on the davits as that may take my boat up to and over 12m as she is sitting at 11.8m at the moment, I may just put snap davits on the swim platform to take the dinghy.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

You can’t get a 24m ICC with PB2, regardless of which boat you take it on.

 

[ingenious]

Completed first day of PB2 today and, as suspected, need to do more than finish it.
Spoke with people I originally booked with and they are going to give me a discount on Day Skipper Theory and Practical in three weeks time which will include ICC for 10-24. This is on a flybridge
Today's course has been fun and I don't regret booking it, haven't been in a RIB since I was attached to the MOD a lot of years ago. Looking forward to tomorrow although the weather looks less good

 

[ianc1200]

Many thanks for this thread! In ignorance thought PB 2 would do it, passed back in September but my boat is 11.2m & now we've added davits! Yet another course looms!

 

[billskip]

and the waterline length is 10.5m, I'm hesitant about putting on the davits as that may take my boat up to and over 12m as she is sitting at 11.8m

but my boat is 11.2m & now we've added davits! Yet

I think you will find that the RYA ICC is the load line length measurement...so the boat could be LOA 12 mtrs but LLL 9.99 mtrs.so it would be ok.

 

[Alicatt]

Just started the Day Skipper Theory course...

 

[Howardp]

Nope..for PB2 the 10m is length overall and so will be for the ICC. The ICC for bigger than 10m doesn't actually specify a length and 24m has nothing to do with ICC.

 

[billskip]

Nope..for PB2 the 10m is length overall and so will be for the ICC. The ICC for bigger than 10m doesn't actually specify a length and 24m has nothing to do with ICC.

This is possibly because I'm remembering before the change to introduce the 10 mtr category.

However as I recall the qualifications up to and including YM Ocean some 30 plus years ago were for boats up to 24 mtrs LLL. and an iICC was issued with a qualification.

You say 24 mtrs has nothing to do with the ICC.
Could you please explain why my old ICC states quit clear.."Pleasure craft not exceeding 24mtrs in length"

 

[Greg2]

This is possibly because I'm remembering before the change to introduce the 10 mtr category.

However as I recall the qualifications up to and including YM Ocean some 30 plus years ago were for boats up to 24 mtrs LLL. and an iICC was issued with a qualification.

You say 24 mtrs has nothing to do with the ICC.
Could you please explain why my old ICC states quit clear.."Pleasure craft not exceeding 24mtrs in length"

Yep, I think 24m is very relevant to the ICC. When I did the ICC practical and theory assessment we used our own boat because it was >10m and as a consequence my ICC covers up to 24m whereas if we had used the club’s <10m rib my ICC would have been restricted to up to 10m. The max length of 24m is specified on my ICC so not quite sure what Howardp is referring to.