RYA and the new Marine Bill

timbartlett said:
Nobody did "give away our anchoring rights": they were taken away from us. And although the RYA has been fighting this particular land-snatch for years, it was up against almost insurmountable odds -- particularly when so many of those it is fighting for are more worried about whether they have to pay £4.99 for a syllabus book than whether there is going to be any point leaving anchoring in the bloody syllabus when the next generation of yachtsmen probably won't be allowed to do anything other than follow defined "recreational traffic routes" from one "marine leisure facility" to the next -- subject to having the necessary registration certificate, and licence, of course, and having had their passage plan approved and their safety equipment checked.
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Grow up Tim. Shave the head. Lose the beard. Talk sense! If all else fails f**k off!
 
Kilter said:
Grow up Tim. Shave the head. Lose the beard. Talk sense! If all else fails f**k off!
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Am I the only one that finds this comment both gratuitiously offensive and utterly unnecessary? I am beginning to wonder what is wrong with some of the people on here that they have to be so unpleasant to others while contributing nothing to the discussion.

BishopT
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
Ok, I'm intrigued about the right to anchor. I'll admit, I remember nothing about it. What's changed, and when did it change?
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see www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2009/pdf/ukpga_20090023_en.pdf for the full text of the Marine and Coastal Access Act.
The relevant sentence (and it is only one sentence) is in Section 129(3)(d) on page 88 of the 328-page document! I believe this particular bit comes into force on 12 January 2010 -- but don't quote me on that.
 
kristifercolumnbus said:
It may well be a good organization but with 'Royal' as part of it's title it does not seem immediately accessible to me.
Although I have been mucking about in boats for something like 45 years this is the first time that I have actually seen it in action (& it is far from clear yet that it will protect us from the possible imposition of an anchoring ban in Studland Bay surly of paramount interest to all serious sailors)?
The Rights that I rely on have been hard fought & won by generations of mariners & I believe rightly or wrongly that they should be upheld by the Parliamentary system.I wish them well & if I had the money I might even join.
Regards KC.
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Does "the Social" not pay for your subscription? Those bloody Royals, who'd trust 'em.
However, as a Long Time Member of 2 years, I can honestly say that I would have to move address to benefit from most of the trappings of protectionism offered.
On the other hand, I continue to be a Member, because who else is looking out for us?
Just LOOK at the detritus we babble in here............would yoy trust us to look after ourselves? I wouldn't !
 
Bishop Terrorchoke said:
Am I the only one that finds this comment both gratuitiously offensive and utterly unnecessary? I am beginning to wonder what is wrong with some of the people on here that they have to be so unpleasant to others while contributing nothing to the discussion.

BishopT
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No, you are not.
As someone who enjoys being 'a little extreme in my views, for arguments sake', i find the said quote to be pretty sh*te.
However, as has been mentioned already, he may have been drunk.
On the other hand, he may have been expressing a view which is not entirely to our liking. That is HIS/HER view, not ours to judge...........

I, personally found the direct insults offensive, from the "other" Bishop and Kilter.
From a Kettle to a Pot, at least try to project a direction in your arguments. It makes for much better reading, rather than direct insults ........ can't we be grown up and arrange a fight? (post time and date, so we can all gather around chanting , Fight, Fight, Fight....
 
puddock said:
Does "the Social" not pay for your subscription? Those bloody Royals, who'd trust 'em.
However, as a Long Time Member of 2 years, I can honestly say that I would have to move address to benefit from most of the trappings of protectionism offered.
On the other hand, I continue to be a Member, because who else is looking out for us?
Just LOOK at the detritus we babble in here............would yoy trust us to look after ourselves? I wouldn't !
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Actually I am impressed by the intelligence of many here & I am happy to be associated with them.We may not join committees & sub committees but it is that that made this Country great in my opinion.The ability to think & act for ourselves not follow preconceived actions & indulge in our prejudices;)
& up yours by the way puddock:p
 
Tranona said:
I hope you and or Toad will report back here on the outcome of your meeting
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The RYA can't fit me in before Xmas but that's no problem - I've got loads of weekday availability in the new year.

Have no fear on the report back - I will be getting the fixed penalty info straight from the horses mouth and reporting back here! (Or if it's not true I will know for a fact that you didn't get it from the RYA as you've claimed over, and over again.)

Interesting that you should turn down £100 to the RNLI for this information while the RYA are prepared to hand it out to non-members for nothing! Incidently I now withdraw that offer and all others. Looks like I won't have to pay after all!
 
timbartlett said:
see www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2009/pdf/ukpga_20090023_en.pdf for the full text of the Marine and Coastal Access Act.
The relevant sentence (and it is only one sentence) is in Section 129(3)(d) on page 88 of the 328-page document! I believe this particular bit comes into force on 12 January 2010 -- but don't quote me on that.
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Many sincere thanks! Read with interest.

Is there no current legal mechanism to prohibit anchoring or disturbing the bottom?
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
The RYA can't fit me in before Xmas but that's no problem - I've got loads of weekday availability in the new year.

Have no fear on the report back - I will be getting the fixed penalty info straight from the horses mouth and reporting back here! (Or if it's not true I will know for a fact that you didn't get it from the RYA as you've claimed over, and over again.)

Interesting that you should turn down £100 to the RNLI for this information while the RYA are prepared to hand it out to non-members for nothing! Incidently I now withdraw that offer and all others. Looks like I won't have to pay after all!
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Well, Toad, I am pleased you have finally taken my advice and addressed your concerns to the RYA rather than continually ranting at people here!

Seriously I hope you enjoy your visit to the sunny south and they treat you well.

BTW if you remember the first source I gave you for the French law on registration documents was from a Yachting Monthly article of around 2002 - so it is nothing new and is well established. Hopefully the RYA will be able to confirm the relevant code. Doubt anybody there will be stupid enough to actually break the law and get a ticket which is what I think you needed for you £100 reward!

Hopefully also you will come away understanding how complex the UN convention and ICC etc actually is and why we need a body such as the RYA to look after our interests even if they are not always able to satisfy everybody. Just had the renewal for my subscription - paid willingly. Even though much of what they do does not interest me, the bits that do are well covered and worth the small annual fee.

Look forward to the new thread in the New Year.
 
Tranona said:
BTW if you remember the first source I gave you for the French law on registration documents was from a Yachting Monthly article of around 2002
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Too late to back track now. You've said in writing a million times that you got it from the RYA. :-)

Tranona said:
Hopefully the RYA will be able to confirm the relevant code.
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I doubt it since you made it up, but we'll see.

Tranona said:
Doubt anybody there will be stupid enough to actually break the law and get a ticket which is what I think you needed for you £100 reward!
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Not it wasn't. You declined the £100 for the RNLI merely for the amount of the fixed penalty fine and/or some way to verify it's existance. The recepit was just a means to that end. My offer is beyond dispute - easily searchable and you replied so you had seen it:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214581

Tranona said:
Hopefully also you will come away understanding how complex the UN convention and ICC etc actually is
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I'm very familiar with the UN convention. We've argued about it often enough.

Tranona said:
why we need a body such as the RYA to look after our interests even if they are not always able to satisfy everybody.
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Have I said I didn't understand that? I responded with five points to a very specific question.

Tranona said:
Look forward to the new thread in the New Year.
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No you don't - you know damn well you'll be exposed as a fantasist.


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I'm still not convinced that the RYA is the way to go.Maybe if they could change that name to something more practical & down to earth.More in keeping with the modern day & age......
Maybe I'm just old fashioned but did'nt we fight a war against the Monarchy in order to get any freedoms at all?
 
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