Rope "lost" in eye splice

[srah1953]

Would anyone know, roughly, what length of rope is "lost" (used up) in creating a small eye splice in a 13mm polyester rope? I used to have a good idea but it's been a few years since I did one.
Thanks in advance

 

[Deleted member 478]

My memory is probably just as unreliable, but 33% springs to mind.

 

[lw395]

I had this question with eye splices in dyneema.
If you want to know fairly accurately, I think it's best to make a test piece and calibrate what happens.
Depends how much you bury, and how much of that is tapered.
No two brands/sizes of rope are quite the same.

 

[Poignard]

Are you asking about 3-strand or braided rope?

 

[Old Harry]

My memory is probably just as unreliable, but 33% springs to mind.

The OP mentioned Length, he should buy an extra mtr

 

[srah1953]

The rope is braided. It's my existing Jib sheets which are finely measured. I thought of putting eye splices in them and attaching them to the sail with soft shackle so that they were less likely to catch on things. But I doubt really that there is sufficient length so probably leave things as they are till they need to be replaced.
cheers.

 

[Old Bumbulum]

I tried this but my local rigger vetoed it as the sheets were used and apparently it is difficut or impossible to splice certain types of rope unless they are new.
He ended up tapering, whipping and stitching them which mad a very neat job and the soft shackles work a treat - no more hang-ups.

Lots of websites to help with splicing and knots.
Here's my favourite soft shackle.

https://l-36.com/soft_shackle_9.php

 

[LadyInBed]

If the sheets are short, buy a meter or so of line, get large eyes put in each end then cow hitch one end to the sail crinkle and attach the sheets to the other end. You could do similar with twice the length of new line and cow hitch the centre of the line to the crinkle.

 

[LittleSister]

A previous boat of mine had the sheets attached to the sail with a soft shackle. The sheet was a single piece of rope, double length, simply folded at the mid point and an eye formed there by a long whipping holding the two parts together. Worked great. It was quite a small boat, so I don't know how well that would scale up for a large one.

 

[GHA]

I added a few metres of dyneema with an eye to the jib sheets, works great.

 

[PaulRainbow]

If the sheets are short, buy a meter or so of line, get large eyes put in each end then cow hitch one end to the sail crinkle and attach the sheets to the other end. You could do similar with twice the length of new line and cow hitch the centre of the line to the crinkle.

My sheets are done like this, nothing to catch when tacking. Mine are a little longer than they need to be, so i can move the cow hitch a little each season, which moves any wear points.

 

[[70521]]

I moved to a cow hitch last year and find tacking much smoother.

 

[Kukri]

The cow hitch will draw very tight and become hard to undo.

There’s a version of this which allows you to change sheets easily; these days it would probably be called a ‘soft shackle’ but it was shown to me by Des Sleightholme in 1975.

Use a single length of rope, middle it and put a racking seizing on to make a soft eye which can just (this is important!) be pushed through the clew crinkle.

Seize a short length of three strand rope to one “leg” of the sheets so that it can be pushed through the eye. Make a stopper knot of your choice on it (eg Matthew Walker) and whip the end.

Push the soft eye through the clew cringle, push the short rope through the soft eye after it has gone through the cringle. It locks into place and can always be undone,

 

[Old Bumbulum]

What are these "crinkles"? Don't you guys iron your sails?

 

[PuffTheMagicDragon]

When I changed the Genoa sheets I went to a single length of rope. I put an Alpine Butterfly knot in the middle and this is attached to the clew with a soft shackle. No more snagging. No more 100mm quick release snap-shackles to be wary of. The Genoa is 35m².
It has worked for me.

 

[lw395]

The nice option for dinghy asy sheets is to splice a tail into the middle of the rope, which ties to the sailwith a bowline.
That way there is even less to catch on the mast or forestay than with a cow hitch, and the leach of the sail is not dragged against the mast so much.

 

[LadyInBed]

When I changed the Genoa sheets I went to a single length of rope. I put an Alpine Butterfly knot in the middle and this is attached to the clew with a soft shackle. No more snagging. No more 100mm quick release snap-shackles to be wary of.
It has worked for me.

Same here, except I used a cow hitch.
I still haven't got round to trusting soft shackles, which is strange as I totally trust electronic navigation.
I know it doesn't make sense!!
PS I quite like Minn's idea.

 

[cpedw]

The cow hitch will draw very tight and become hard to undo.

There’s a version of this which allows you to change sheets easily; these days it would probably be called a ‘soft shackle’ but it was shown to me by Des Sleightholme in 1975.

Use a single length of rope, middle it and put a racking seizing on to make a soft eye which can just (this is important!) be pushed through the clew crinkle.

Seize a short length of three strand rope to one “leg” of the sheets so that it can be pushed through the eye. Make a stopper knot of your choice on it (eg Matthew Walker) and whip the end.

Push the soft eye through the clew cringle, push the short rope through the soft eye after it has gone through the cringle. It locks into place and can always be undone,

A simpler way to achieve this uses a short length of line that, doubled, is a snug fit in the cringle. Tie a reef knot at the middle of the sheet between the sheet and the doubled short length. That forms a loop and 2 tails in the short length. Push the loop through the cringle then the tails through the loop. You can add stoppers on the tails if you feel the need.

 

[Daydream believer]

Use a single length of rope, middle it and put a racking seizing on to make a soft eye which can just (this is important!) be pushed through the clew crinkle.

Seize a short length of three strand rope to one “leg” of the sheets so that it can be pushed through the eye. Make a stopper knot of your choice on it (eg Matthew Walker) and whip the end.

Push the soft eye through the clew cringle, push the short rope through the soft eye after it has gone through the cringle. It locks into place and can always be undone,

+1
Works a treat provided the hole in the cringle is not too large

 

[LittleSister]

A previous boat of mine had the sheets attached to the sail with a soft shackle. The sheet was a single piece of rope, double length, simply folded at the mid point and an eye formed there by a long whipping holding the two parts together. Worked great. It was quite a small boat, so I don't know how well that would scale up for a large one.

The cow hitch will draw very tight and become hard to undo.

There’s a version of this which allows you to change sheets easily; these days it would probably be called a ‘soft shackle’ but it was shown to me by Des Sleightholme in 1975.

Use a single length of rope, middle it and put a racking seizing on to make a soft eye which can just (this is important!) be pushed through the clew crinkle.

Seize a short length of three strand rope to one “leg” of the sheets so that it can be pushed through the eye. Make a stopper knot of your choice on it (eg Matthew Walker) and whip the end.

Push the soft eye through the clew cringle, push the short rope through the soft eye after it has gone through the cringle. It locks into place and can always be undone,

I think that's what I had, but failed to describe clearly above, except that my 'soft shackle' wasn't attached to the sheet.