Rocna anchors

Everything OK. Problem is ,when you speak or write non -native language , that you think on your own and sometimes your sentencies are not as have to be, but my Croatian as I see is much closer to English than your Scotish! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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its at the same time that people also used candles to light their navigation lamps........ times have moved on a little...


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Don't believe that.. this anchor is still in use by fishermen in Brazil..

But following Craig advice, they will be very happy to learn that the weight has no importance at all and they can move the stone away.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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But following Craig advice, they will be very happy to learn that the weight has no importance at all and they can move the stone away..

[/ QUOTE ] Thats a little unfair... youre just picking the facts that make your case work.....

The reason that anchor needs weight is because its technical design is poor...... the weight compensates for the lack of intelligent design.... I bet a bigger rock would make it work even better....../forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Welcome aboard Craig and I welcome your contribution.
I must admit that I find the continual drip feed of Hylas' pro-Spade anti-everything-else posts a little tiresome. It's good to see someone trying to redress the balance.
 
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The reason that anchor needs weight is because its technical design is poor

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or even that it would float if it didn't have a rock?

would that make it a sea anchor? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

anyway I echo the recent comments of others - we have had great contribution from both Craig and Alain but this 'scoring points' isn't contributing a whole lot!
 
If Alain took on some of the positive points of Craigs postings, and if more to the point they both ganged up on traditional points of view with some of their more experimental and visionary ideas, maybe some of the traditonal points of view would be challenged more

ie support each other... I'm sure they'd both win in sales in the medium term
 
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I must admit that I find the continual drip feed of Hylas' pro-Spade anti-everything-else posts a little tiresome.

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No I'm not anti-everything-else.. on another thread talking about the Bulwagga anchor, I said that is an intelligent desing and one of the best anchor available today..

Yes, I'm 100% against the Rocna anchor, because it is not an original design but only an amalgam of the roll bar of the Bügel, the shank of the Delta and the (PATENTED) blade of the Spade..

I'm also trying to "redress the balance" when Craig pretend that the weight of the anchor tip is unnecessary and that the reason of the heavy lead ballasted tip of the Spade is not for digging in the anchor..

I consider these comments as misinformation about the anchor technique in general and agaisnt the Spade anchor too..

I have had the oppotunity to have also a face to face discussion on Forums with Fortress poeple. Yes we all have our own arguments but all are very "fair-play" and not misinforming..
 
In NZ I would go for a Manson Plough anchor every time. Maybe not the best, but who knows /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif - but at least well proven.

I generally agree with Craig's presented perspective on anchors (but don't necessarily like the Rocna myself). When Hylas makes comments such as Why is the Spade the only anchor to have such a massive block of LEAD on the tip then one knows he is tweaking our tits cos there are other anchors that have lead weighted tips (the Manson Plough being just one).

Maybe Craig could tell us how the Rocna on Steve Dashew's big new ocean voyaging power boat is getting on - there is one well informed owner who I understand chose a Rocna, I do not know how it is performing though.

John
 
John,

Why would you go for a Manson plough - is there a particular reason? There is lots of evidence that the copies rarely outperform the original, i.e. the CQR in this case.

And of course you will know we criticize any of the old generation of anchors, including ploughs, just one disadvantage of which is the dedicated tip-weight. But each to their own.

Dashew is currently off his boat in the States, so there won't be any updates too soon from him. He is perfectly happy with the anchor and has so far only positive comments. But, if you want his opinion, best to ask him directly! steve@setsail.com

NAS, Tisme, and Duncan: thanks for your comments.
 
Craig

Thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the Manson, the reason is as I said - is well proven for general service here in NZ. Will be better anchors for sure but guess time or numbers of them in service is needed to prove that. But I am not an experimenter when it comes to anchors I need to rely on.

I use Mansons on my own boat and have never had a problem with them but such blatant parochialism doesn't influence my view /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif as I happily specify others on boats outside of NZ or for the particular service. I do concede that on my own boat I am a fan of the Oversized Anchor Club which helps hide a few anchor design sins (assuming it is not Hylas's posted rock with a few bits of wood around it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

Regards

John
 
Mmmmn I think the popularity of Manson's ploughs here in NZ is more to do with location, availability, and price... the CQR is expensive in comparison, but we would still consider it a better anchor. And then the argument about any anchor being "proven" goes along the normal lines of new vs old, regardless of where you're talking about.

I am sure that M Poiraud's fine example of an anchor with tip-weight is a proven design too - to someone somewhere /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

John take a look at Craig Torckler's letter to us (do you know of him by any chance?), published in our "customer stories" section on our website. He specifically compares his experience with a 40Kg Manson plough to a Rocna 40.

And of course Steve Dashew was mentioned above - if you are a member of the Oversized Anchor Club, then Dashew must be its president! - the Manson claw that his Rocna replaced was the same weight as the Rocna, when we only recommended a 70Kg!

Oh well time will tell.
 
Perhaps it would also be interesting to talk about the MANSON Supreme?? and to have Craig's opinion about it??

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The first thing I noticed was the Delta shaft, I wonder how he is getting away with that.

My Delta has a weighted tip which just works, this was my first season with it. On every occasion the anchor has just dog in, no problems, no drama's, I can get it to set without trying to drag it with the boat in reverse, though we do anyway.

I read up on many of the anchors prior to purchase this year and found no data other than manufacturers about the two in question here. Maybe you both need to suck it up and give away a substantial amount of anchors to get them into the market place.

When it comes to my life, I am not going to trust sales bumph. I watched the video of Craig's I think and was disappointed how biased it was, to the point I would reject almost all of his claims now. Sorry, but if you present information as you did expect a backlash.

As for the Oceane, it just isn't popular enough to get all round information. Maybe in a few years things will change. I like new things, but anchors are not something I as the end user am prepared to experiment with, which is what John (the cat) has also mentioned.
 
There you go again! It always seems to be claim versus counter claim; which really isn't helpful.

Brendan is right. It would be much more help if you would decide what you agree on with all the other suppliers rather than what you disagree on.

If you do that then we can distinguish between the different makes and decide what suits us best.

Until then I'll stick with my Danforth.
 
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