Rigger Mortice
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Maybe Grant has those drawings and could be persuaded to post them?
Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific
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Maybe Grant has those drawings and could be persuaded to post them?
Twister_Ken
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If he has them he'd likely be breaching copyright (or is it registered design?). Anyway, unpleasant consequences might ensue.
Rigger Mortice
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Fair point!
FWIW I don't think that Smith ever Registered the designs or, for that matter, took out any Patents. It would probably just be a copyright problem.
Twister_Ken
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If he licensed the design (and he did) then it must have some form of IP protection
Rigger Mortice
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If he has done there will be a record of it somewhere. To be frank, it is the kind of thing that Smith Snr and Craig the Boy Wonder would have made a song and dance about but i can't recall seeing anything.
Maybe he wouldn't spend the money and was just wanting to rely on copyright?
UPDATE.
Well, well, well! There is a registered design after all. http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/designs/banner_template/IPDESIGN Design number 405185, first registered back in 2004.
It doesn't show very much and, on my machine it's very slow, but it is there. It only covers New Zealand and I'm not going to bother checking elsewhere!
Maybe he wouldn't spend the money and was just wanting to rely on copyright?
UPDATE.
Well, well, well! There is a registered design after all. http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/designs/banner_template/IPDESIGN Design number 405185, first registered back in 2004.
It doesn't show very much and, on my machine it's very slow, but it is there. It only covers New Zealand and I'm not going to bother checking elsewhere!
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youen
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Whats your opinion about the article in the last PBO?
Whats your opinion about the article in the last PBO?
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www.google.pl/patents/USD552526.pdf
They only registered Design patents (ie: "ornimental" not "functional" or "unique" )
Allan
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That is one of the most ironic things I have ever seen posted on here! Will the Smiths be denying any liability for damage to anchors used as anything other than ornaments?
Allan
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Canada Metal and Steve Bambury
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you may not be aware yet that Steve Bambury has completed the contractual period relating to the handover and extensive associated work of CMP's takeover of Rocna.
Having completed the terms of the work in full, he is now moving on to a new line of work.
When you look at a swan moving across the surface of the water, pray remember that a lot of hard paddling goes unseen.
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you may not be aware yet that Steve Bambury has completed the contractual period relating to the handover and extensive associated work of CMP's takeover of Rocna.
Having completed the terms of the work in full, he is now moving on to a new line of work.
When you look at a swan moving across the surface of the water, pray remember that a lot of hard paddling goes unseen.
So that's how Swan regattas are won.
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10 days ago after being many weeks before in touch with Rocna support whose contact was S Bambury(!!!!) who promised me a refund for my 15 Kg Rona 2010 anchor which never arrived,I send an email to John Mictchell the manager of CMP who told me he was aware of my problem and send a copy of my email to S Bambury so ......I am quite sure the game is over and I shall never get a refund for my bad anchor
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10 days ago after being many weeks before in touch with Rocna support whose contact was S Bambury(!!!!) who promised me a refund for my 15 Kg Rona 2010 anchor which never arrived,I send an email to John Mictchell the manager of CMP who told me he was aware of my problem and send a copy of my email to S Bambury so ......I am quite sure the game is over and I shall never get a refund for my bad anchor
Youen, hopefully the Swan will be paddling away like mad to refund you and all the others who were sold an anchor based on lies and misrepresentation. This will be their first test, lets hope for your sake they pass it
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I simply thought it would be nice to keep the story on one thread. But possibly RocnaONE, frustrated that the story has swept on without him, thought to confuse people like me with more simple minds.
I might also hope that Mr Bambury's next career move will not involve the marine industry, we can only keep our fingers crossed.
Jonathan
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you may not be aware yet that Steve Bambury has completed the contractual period relating to the handover and extensive associated work of CMP's takeover of Rocna.
Having completed the terms of the work in full, he is now moving on to a new line of work.
When you look at a swan moving across the surface of the water, pray remember that a lot of hard paddling goes unseen.
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you may not be aware yet that Steve Bambury has completed the contractual period relating to the handover and extensive associated work of CMP's takeover of Rocna.
Having completed the terms of the work in full, he is now moving on to a new line of work.
When you look at a swan moving across the surface of the water, pray remember that a lot of hard paddling goes unseen.
So that's how Swan regattas are won.
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10 days ago after being many weeks before in touch with Rocna support whose contact was S Bambury(!!!!) who promised me a refund for my 15 Kg Rona 2010 anchor which never arrived,I send an email to John Mictchell the manager of CMP who told me he was aware of my problem and send a copy of my email to S Bambury so ......I am quite sure the game is over and I shall never get a refund for my bad anchor
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10 days ago after being many weeks before in touch with Rocna support whose contact was S Bambury(!!!!) who promised me a refund for my 15 Kg Rona 2010 anchor which never arrived,I send an email to John Mictchell the manager of CMP who told me he was aware of my problem and send a copy of my email to S Bambury so ......I am quite sure the game is over and I shall never get a refund for my bad anchor
Youen, hopefully the Swan will be paddling away like mad to refund you and all the others who were sold an anchor based on lies and misrepresentation. This will be their first test, lets hope for your sake they pass it
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I simply thought it would be nice to keep the story on one thread. But possibly RocnaONE, frustrated that the story has swept on without him, thought to confuse people like me with more simple minds.
I might also hope that Mr Bambury's next career move will not involve the marine industry, we can only keep our fingers crossed.
Jonathan
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been promoted to moderating, have you ? Ultra vires, Neeves.
To me it seemed like news, and so few people can still be bothered with the tendencious and repetitive aspects of the original thread.
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But Sarabande,
I think moderators have more important things to do and I certainly would not aspire to their positions.
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But your post is news (for which thanks), which is why it seemed more relevant on the thread to which it was most closely related. If it is unrelated to this thread, I stand corrected (and have my hair shirt ready).
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been promoted to moderating, have you ? Ultra vires, Neeves.
To me it seemed like news, and so few people can still be bothered with the tendencious and repetitive aspects of the original thread.
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But Sarabande,
I think moderators have more important things to do and I certainly would not aspire to their positions.
and
But your post is news (for which thanks), which is why it seemed more relevant on the thread to which it was most closely related. If it is unrelated to this thread, I stand corrected (and have my hair shirt ready).
Jonathan
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So Youen's Email to the Company results in a response saying they'll pass that over to Steve Bambury...this 10 days ago, before or after Steve "completed his contract regarding the takeover"?
Meanwhile Sarabande, who is widely suspected on these forums of having the "anonymous" double identity of RocnaOne: representative of CMP, this backed up by Youen himself who asked why sometimes his questions were answered by RocnaOne and sometimes by Sarabande, tells the YBW forum community that Steve Bambury has completed his contract relating to the takeover and is moving on to a new line of work.
(RocnaOne incidentally, promised to join in the debate and answer questions about Rocna and the takeover, aside from selectively answering P/M's with a condescending tone much like the reply Neeves seems to have received above (Yes, I got one once too!) RocnaOne revealed very little apart from the generic press releases and refused to be drawn on facts in the public domain)
Please excuse my scepticism, but in the tradition of Rocna, this is a vague statement - what new line of work is Steve Bambury moving to? More Importantly is it with Rocna? With CMP? As Steve appears to be the person that fingers have been pointed at, relentlessly, regarding the inconsistencies and smoke and mirrors - who is to say he hasn't moved from consultant to sales director of Rocna anchors?
And I agree with Neeves, how is copying a thread into a more relevant thread "Ultra Vires"? It's perfectly within the powers of anyone posting here to copy and paste a thread somewhere where it is relevant...
Meanwhile Sarabande, who is widely suspected on these forums of having the "anonymous" double identity of RocnaOne: representative of CMP, this backed up by Youen himself who asked why sometimes his questions were answered by RocnaOne and sometimes by Sarabande, tells the YBW forum community that Steve Bambury has completed his contract relating to the takeover and is moving on to a new line of work.
(RocnaOne incidentally, promised to join in the debate and answer questions about Rocna and the takeover, aside from selectively answering P/M's with a condescending tone much like the reply Neeves seems to have received above (Yes, I got one once too!) RocnaOne revealed very little apart from the generic press releases and refused to be drawn on facts in the public domain)
Please excuse my scepticism, but in the tradition of Rocna, this is a vague statement - what new line of work is Steve Bambury moving to? More Importantly is it with Rocna? With CMP? As Steve appears to be the person that fingers have been pointed at, relentlessly, regarding the inconsistencies and smoke and mirrors - who is to say he hasn't moved from consultant to sales director of Rocna anchors?
And I agree with Neeves, how is copying a thread into a more relevant thread "Ultra Vires"? It's perfectly within the powers of anyone posting here to copy and paste a thread somewhere where it is relevant...
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Tendentious and repetitive
I understand that if you pick up West Marine's current paper catalogue or go to Ocean Solutions' website you will find both are advertsing Rocnas as being RINA SHHP certificated for anchors sized 4kg to 110kg. Both suppliers go a bit further, Ocean Solutions suggest certification covers stainless anchors and West Marine imply the certification covers the Rocna Fisherman's model. (Neither anchor has ever been tested by RINA.) It was established in the second half of 2011 that RINA certification only covers anchors of 55kg and larger and even CMP have accepted that the original claims, of RINA certification, were invalid - so one has to wonder why these two distributors are blatantly misleading their customers (particularly as the fraudulent use of RINA Certification has been so publicly aired on this and other forum).
Yes - this post might have repetitive content but I would like to think that the post does not have the negative contotation implied by Sarabande's use of the word 'tendentious'. To me false claims of certification are dishonest - and those claims should be refuted, repetitively. Underlining dishonest acts is not tendentious - but being critical of the exposure of dishonesty, in my mind, is tendentious.
Have a great weekend
Jonathan
I understand that if you pick up West Marine's current paper catalogue or go to Ocean Solutions' website you will find both are advertsing Rocnas as being RINA SHHP certificated for anchors sized 4kg to 110kg. Both suppliers go a bit further, Ocean Solutions suggest certification covers stainless anchors and West Marine imply the certification covers the Rocna Fisherman's model. (Neither anchor has ever been tested by RINA.) It was established in the second half of 2011 that RINA certification only covers anchors of 55kg and larger and even CMP have accepted that the original claims, of RINA certification, were invalid - so one has to wonder why these two distributors are blatantly misleading their customers (particularly as the fraudulent use of RINA Certification has been so publicly aired on this and other forum).
Yes - this post might have repetitive content but I would like to think that the post does not have the negative contotation implied by Sarabande's use of the word 'tendentious'. To me false claims of certification are dishonest - and those claims should be refuted, repetitively. Underlining dishonest acts is not tendentious - but being critical of the exposure of dishonesty, in my mind, is tendentious.
Have a great weekend
Jonathan
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No more so than with his ex employers documents, shipping docs, invoices etc.
Rigger Mortice
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Possibly, but as the ex-company is being wound up, the likelihood of anyone taking any action will be next to zero. It would serve no purpose at all.
Neeves
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I vaguely recall reading that Americans now protect whistleblowers (and revealing issues of safety might/ought be covered by such legislation). It appears contradictory to consider that anyone would be prosecuted when even the anchor designers casts considerable doubt on the quality of steel used, ie the Q420. The question has always been the extent of the use of the Q420.
Ex-SolentBoy
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Rumour has it that the first CMP Rocna's have now arrived in the UK.
FishyInverness
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And yet the price is still 30% higher than a Manson, despite a now wholly admitted lower grade of steel and chinese cast manufacture...Bizarre!
Neeves
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Is there any physical difference (other than the old ones being dusty) between the new batch of CMP Rocnas and the previous lot from Holdfast?
Twister_Ken
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One would hope the new ones are made using a better class of tin.
smackdaddy
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So, here's a question...
If Rocna drops 25% below the cost of a Manson - do things change?
My vote is yes.
Signed,
From the Land of Walmart
(PS - If Rocna does drop the price, they owe USD $25K for PR strategy services.)
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