Result of 'safe skipper survey'

[Happy1]

Result of \'safe skipper survey\'

I used the 'safe skipper' thread for a bit of research, although it went way off track and got unnecesarily personal which was not the intention, but what it has shown from the majority of responses that most people would not consider letting their children go out on a boat with a person that was not proficient, PB2 being mentioned as well as day skipper. It was also mentioned that even a person new to boating with a season now under their belt would not be a consideration even though PB2 trained.

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Why on earth do people feel it is right to allow poor children, with no say whatsoever in the matter, to be dragged off with their parents who have had absolutely no experience of boating, onto a new boat (to them), and head out to sea? Most of you would not allow your children to go as stated above, why should it be any different for other children?

I think this shows clearly that some kind of system has to be put into place as the current, get a boat and go, taking innocent souls with you, is a disgrace. And this is happening almost everyday! The less able and youngsters of this country need protected from people who do not take the necessary training or safety instruction before heading out to sea. I hope this has given some food for thought and made people realise that the system is wrong, and before criticising compulsary training of some sort may now see the sense in it /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[longjohnsilver]

What a load of bolx!! NM

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[Happy1]

Re: What a load of bolx!! NM

Why do you say that, please explain, it's not very helpful to n.m.?

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[BarryH]

Re: Result of \'safe skipper survey\'

Umm, don't wanna be pickky, but thats exactly what you did! Not saying you can't use the boat, but erm...........you did!

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[rickp]

Re: What a load of bolx!! NM

Isn't 'But think of the Children' the usual Daily Mail cry?

I know you believe that all boaters should be forced to have a bit of paper that says they're safe. Others disagree and have put forward very cogent reasons. Can't we just drop the subject now?

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[Happy1]

Re: Result of \'safe skipper survey\'

Did what? SWMBO & I completed our PB2 and VHF course before we got the boat, we also made sure we had all the correct equipment. My question was based on what would be the minimum you would expect from zero knowledge. PB2 seems a luxury compared to some who but and drive with no training at all.

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[Happy1]

Re: What a load of bolx!! NM

No, because some people don't seem to understand the consequences on the innocents that get caught up in it all. There is nothing wrong in having a reality check now and again, unfortunately it seems to always be after a tragic accident, then fades away until the next.

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[tcm]

Beware The Stupid People

the so-called survey showed no such thing. It showed that most people are cautious and careful, and appreciate training as a component - but not a panacea - for safe boating.

Icidentally, I see no problem about it becoming fairly personal: the originator explained the terms of the discussion in very personal terms - how trained, or how muych knowledghe wd someone need to take your kids out on a boat. The originator bizarrely felt fully competent to chair the discussion. He has no such authority, formal nor informal. He repeatedly endangers himself and has often ignored valid advice from many sides.

He has now leapt to more invalid conclusions, none of which have been borne out by previous threads. This lack of judgement alone disbars him and his conclusions from being taken seriously. He continues to craves a situation where, by doing lots of courses, he wil become respected, expert, and a sage on all marine matter.

But this will never happen. Despite the dumbing down of many parts of of daily life, we must all beware of the Stupid People. For they will cry out for organised unfailable training and qualifications, easy-to-pass A-levels. It may be too late.

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[rickp]

Re: What a load of bolx!! NM

'now and again'? I wish it were that infrequent.

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[BarryH]

Re: Result of \'safe skipper survey\'

Just 'cos you've got bits of paper doesn't mean you know what your doing. A bit like the driving lessons before the test. The lessons teach you to pass the test. They don't teach you to drive as such, you learn to "drive" after the test. It comes with experience. Same with boating really. PB2 teaches a set of manouvres set down by some bod in the RYA. It doesn't teach you how to deal with wind over tide in a narrow busy channel while you've got a seasick kid wanting to hoick all over the place!

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[Happy1]

Re: Result of \'safe skipper survey\'

Yes we all know that, I think you have lost the plot somewhere, never mind /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Happy1]

Re: Beware The Stupid People

I don't know why people are getting so up tight. Nobody is saying they know everything or are very experienced, it was a simple discussion as to the 'basic' knowledge you would want a skipper to have who took out a member of yourfamily. It has been turned upside down and off track, but the bones are there showing that in fact nobody would let there kids go out with a person, no matter how sensible and nice, who had never been out on a boat, on his or her maiden voyage. The law allows this, and IMHO it is wrong, that was the debate, try to stay on track /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[jimi]

Dark forces at work

I think Happy is fed up with his family and wants to do away with them. He's trying to establish that he can plead not guilty due to inability and use as evidence the collective writing of this august (sorry september) forum.

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[Happy1]

Re: What a load of bolx!! NM

Brian, I only put it up for discussion, ask some of the people who would not let their children go on a boat without the skipper having PB2, dayskipper or years of experience that question, I would like to know the answer as well, it doesn't add up does it /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[tripleace]

Safe people

I would welcome a new boater if :

1) they had 100% respect for their ability even if it was very low

2) They shown a concern to learn

3) They knew the limit of their ability and took the correct action. Ie went out with enough help to match the weather and type of boating they were doing.

4) They could, would a nd were willing to listern and take advice


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[Happy1]

Re: Safe people

BRILLIANT, the first well formed answer. Could you let me know what points you would consider as important basic knowledge for a safe first trip alone (from knowing zero) e.g. basic handling, prop dangers e.t.c.

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[Bergman]

Re: Result of unsafe statistics

Most irresponsible - taking innocent children on boat

Nearly as bad as allowing them to play badnminton, or cricket, or soccer. Of course no sane responsible parent would allow a child to play rugby.

In just the same way of course any form of fairground ride would be out of the question, as would riding in a motor car or bus or train or playing in the garden unless of course all potential hazards such as vegetaion, concrete, ashphalt etc are removed and replaced with 3in cork padding.

Schools of course are far too dangerous so education at home- except that home must have all domestic appiances removed and no electricity, no chemical cleaning agents no stairs no gas and most certainly no open fires.

The only conclusion must be that living is far too dangerous for children and it inevitably follows that anyone producing children is acting in a criminaly irresponsible way and the practice should be stopped forthwith.

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[Happy1]

Re: Result of unsafe statistics

Now we are getting a bit silly really aren't we /forums/images/icons/wink.gif But there again your reply should be aimed at those who said NO they would not let their children out, I said nothing only started the debate /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Bergman]

Re: On the subject of silliness

I will readily bow to your greater experience.

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