Replacing Gas Pipe

[KellysEye]

>Thats right. Only flexible, not armoured hose, is required by the Boat Safety scheme. See my link above!

Your insurance company requires that you have a Corgi certificate if you have a gas installation. Corgi specifies armoured hose. If you don't believe me call a Corgi enginereer and your insurance company to check they require a certificate. Not using armoured hose to the cooker is dangerous. If you are happy to live with unarmoured hose fine but please don't park anywhere near another boat.

 

[vyv_cox]

>Thats right. Only flexible, not armoured hose, is required by the Boat Safety scheme. See my link above!

Your insurance company requires that you have a Corgi certificate if you have a gas installation. Corgi specifies armoured hose. If you don't believe me call a Corgi enginereer and your insurance company to check they require a certificate. Not using armoured hose to the cooker is dangerous. If you are happy to live with unarmoured hose fine but please don't park anywhere near another boat.

As said above, Corgi has been obsolete for two years.

The socal website says only that hoses should be to BS3212/2. Both armoured and rubber hoses comply with this standard. They sell both types.

So you are saying that insurance companies and the boat safety scheme have contradictory requirements? Seems unlikely to me, but I would welcome some more information on the subject.

 

[prv]

Your insurance company requires that you have a [...] certificate if you have a gas installation.

No they don't. When did you break into my house and read my insurance documents?

(I elided the reference to CORGI since that's indisputably rubbish.)

Pete

 

[KellysEye]

>As said above, Corgi has been obsolete for two years.

Look at www.trustcorgi.com

>So you are saying that insurance companies and the boat safety scheme have contradictory requirements? Seems unlikely to me, but I would welcome some more information on the subject.

As I said ask your insurance compay, Pantaenius asks for a Corgi certificate. If your insurance company doesn't ask for it ask them if they would pay out for a gas explosion.
I look forward to hearing your response.

 

[prv]

As said above, Corgi has been obsolete for two years.

Look at www.trustcorgi.com

The Council Of Registered Gas Installers is still a going concern as a trade association for gas fitters, but they no longer have any statutory role. The old "all gas work has to be done by CORGI" role (not strictly true anyway) was transferred to Capita, the same government contractor that administers the TV license. They wanted to move the CORGI name as well to avoid consumer confusion, but embarassingly found that they couldn't as (quite logically) the organisation owned that. So the public face of the register is "The Gas Safe Register", and that name is owned by government (not Capita) so that it needn't be changed again if they decide to move the registration/inspection contract again in the future.

This was all discussed at great length at the time, including by a number of professional gas fitters, in the DIY newsgroup I used to read.

You might even be right that a majority of insurers insist on a professional gas check, but continually referring to the fitters' register that has been obsolete for years doesn't exactly give you great credibility.

Pete

 

[Quandary]

>As said above, Corgi has been obsolete for two years.

Look at www.trustcorgi.com.

You are looking at an out of date website (last updated 2009) listing an obsolete address.
Not everything on the internet is true!

 

[vyv_cox]

>As said above, Corgi has been obsolete for two years.

Look at www.trustcorgi.com

>So you are saying that insurance companies and the boat safety scheme have contradictory requirements? Seems unlikely to me, but I would welcome some more information on the subject.

As I said ask your insurance compay, Pantaenius asks for a Corgi certificate. If your insurance company doesn't ask for it ask them if they would pay out for a gas explosion.
I look forward to hearing your response.

My response is that it was you who made the statement, so I would think it reasonable for you to produce the supporting information. I doubt very much that any insurance company would ask for a certificate that has been obsolete for several years.

 

[Wunja]

We have been told the here in The Netherlands the flexable gas pipe should be replaced every 3 years.The pipes are dated

Rats! That means I need to replace all the hoses on the Scout's stoves again! I had thought it was 5 years.

 

[VicS]

Rats! That means I need to replace all the hoses on the Scout's stoves again! I had thought it was 5 years.

Its 5 years in the UK.
10 years for the regulators

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[Wunja]

Its 5 years in the UK.
10 years for the regulators

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But the Scouts and I are in Holland!

 

[KellysEye]

>much that any insurance company would ask for a certificate that has been obsolete for several years.

OK so Corgi has been replaced by the Gas Safe Register, that was news to me because I haven't taken out a new boat insurance policy for some years. At the time I did they asked for a Corgi certificate.

Are you saying GSR don't give safety certificates for boats? Or are you saying insurance companies don't want a certificate? Or both?

 

[Dipper]

Also from the last survey, I remember that I was criticised for not having a safety cut off valve between the cylinder and the cooker itself - any thoughts and again a source?

That is in the Boat Safety Scheme requirements. For the sake of completeness, I fitted one to my hob but I can't see the point when I only have one gas appliance. I got mine (and other bits) from the Southampton Calor Gas Centre.

 

[vyv_cox]

>much that any insurance company would ask for a certificate that has been obsolete for several years.

OK so Corgi has been replaced by the Gas Safe Register, that was news to me because I haven't taken out a new boat insurance policy for some years. At the time I did they asked for a Corgi certificate.

Are you saying GSR don't give safety certificates for boats? Or are you saying insurance companies don't want a certificate? Or both?

I'm not saying anything! I'm asking you to explain your statement that insurance companies insist on one type of hose whereas the boat safety scheme wants another.

 

[taz]

I have been reading this thread with great interest and see that the majority would/will do the installation themselves. I am a great believer gas and electrical installations should be carried out by time served/registered/competent tradesmen and not a Jack of all trades/DIYer. I could not sleep at night worrying if I had done something wrong installing something that could be, to be frank, life threatening. I have 30 years experience within the building trade(owning my own company for 20 years of those) and am very capable of doing the work myself to a high standard, but won`t.

After reading this thread it made me wonder how many posters, that would do the work themselves, would actually attempt to do gas installations on their own home? (if permitted)

 

[prv]

Are you saying GSR don't give safety certificates for boats? Or are you saying insurance companies don't want a certificate? Or both?

In summary:

• A Gas Safe registered fitter can give a certificate for a boat.
• Some insurance companies might require them and some don't.
• There is no requirement in law for any of this on a seagoing privately-owned boat.
• The Boat Safety Scheme, which is mandatory on inland boats and although optional on seagoing ones is often accepted as best practice, says that cooker hoses must not use metal braid.
• You, citing some anonymous "regulations" say that cooker hoses must use metal braid.
• When pressed on what regulations you are referring to, you instead give a list of uncontroversial good design points for a gas system , and then start muddying the waters with mentions of insurers.

Clear?

Personally I do have braid on my gas hose; seems sensible and I'll be replacing it before any visible deterioration arises anyway. That's not the point. The point is the undesirability of misinformation about what's actually required, by vague reference to "regulations". We have enough real regulation in modern life without making up phantom ones.

Pete

 

[Tranona]

>much that any insurance company would ask for a certificate that has been obsolete for several years.

OK so Corgi has been replaced by the Gas Safe Register, that was news to me because I haven't taken out a new boat insurance policy for some years. At the time I did they asked for a Corgi certificate.

Are you saying GSR don't give safety certificates for boats? Or are you saying insurance companies don't want a certificate? Or both?

Yes, and no. Please read my earlier post. I am just about to have my hoses and regulator replaced by a registered fitter who will give me a certificate. I will have an armoured hose - but only because I had already bought one and they were out of stock of the unbraided one at the time.

My insurance company (Bishop Skinner) has never insisted on a certificate. It is not a legal requirement on private boats, although it is a requirement for coded boats - which, apart from the fact I don't feel confident working with gas, is why I want the certificate.

Of course there is nothing to stop an insurance company from insisting on a safety certificate, but I don't think it is common.

 

[doug748]

My response is that it was you who made the statement, so I would think it reasonable for you to produce the supporting information. I doubt very much that any insurance company would ask for a certificate that has been obsolete for several years.

Pantaenius have never asked me for a gas cert in 15 years, they have never asked me for anything, except money, sadly.

 

[prv]

After reading this thread it made me wonder how many posters, that would do the work themselves, would actually attempt to do gas installations on their own home? (if permitted)

I would (and have) do simple things like installing a cooker or fire to an existing point. I would get someone in to run new pipes as that depends on soldering skill (although my DIYed water pipes don't leak).

You say "if permitted" - if you're not doing the work for someone else or in a house with tenants, then you are permitted provided you are competent. "Competent" is not further defined in the GSIURs; the usual joke is that if your house blows up you clearly weren't competent . I'm comfortable that I'm competent to do the kind of small jobs described - for example I knew I had to look up the ventilation requirements and horizontal and vertical separations for my cooker.

Pete

 

[Deleted member 36384]

.... I could not sleep at night worrying if I had done something wrong installing something that could be, to be frank, life threatening ..... After reading this thread it made me wonder how many posters, that would do the work themselves, would actually attempt to do gas installations on their own home? (if permitted) ....

As a student I discovered that the gas meter inlet and outlet looked identical. So I turned the gas off, turned the meter round, connected it back up and switched the gas back on. Using a mirror to see the meter, which was now facing the wall, I noticed that the numbers were running backwards. Result! I ran the gas that way for a few years, reversing in time again for a meter reading. I was always safety conscious and made sure that I passed the doobie to my girlfriend before removing the meter from its pipes.

One day the gas man got access to inspect the meter. He took one look at it and exclaimed "a ah, that's not right". He then proceeded to stick a security sticker over the edge of the meter glass. I required a big fat one to calm down after that as paranoia levels were, as you may expect, raised. I know what you mean I thought I was done for.

 

[taz]

I would (and have) do simple things like installing a cooker or fire to an existing point. I would get someone in to run new pipes as that depends on soldering skill (although my DIYed water pipes don't leak).

You say "if permitted" - if you're not doing the work for someone else or in a house with tenants, then you are permitted provided you are competent. "Competent" is not further defined in the GSIURs; the usual joke is that if your house blows up you clearly weren't competent . I'm comfortable that I'm competent to do the kind of small jobs described - for example I knew I had to look up the ventilation requirements and horizontal and vertical separations for my cooker.

Pete

Competent being the most important part of your reply. There are those that ARE competent, and those that THINK they are competent as you noted.

IMHO someone who is competent in a gas installation is someone who feels comfortable in ALL areas of gas fitting, not just the connection to an appliance.