REgistration and licensing private boats is here!

[castaway]

Just been there (Salcombe) £16.50 per night for 36ft on a swinging mooring miles from anywhere and not even any showers.

Nice little earner!!

Nick

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[Peppermint]

Re:Would that be

like Salcombe Harbour have done for years and years?

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[Col]

"you should try to nudge them towards the French situation where only power boats but not sailing boats require licences."

Why?


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[Rabbie]

Brendan. Thanks for that information. Just another harbour to add to my list of rip-off places to avoid. Another family of tourists lost to the Salcombe local economy. Rant not even started!.

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[Sybarite]

No licensing is better than some licensing, IMHO. The sea is for us one of the last frontiers of liberalism.

However if licensing is to be inevitable, at least try to exonerate sailing boats for which there is already a precedent in an otherwise highly regulated environment in France.

John

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[Col]

Yes, but why do people like you always want preferential treatment to that of mobos? You want licensing for mobos but not raggies, others want the proposed drink / drive regs to apply to mobos not raggies. The life jacket rules in Ireland not to apply to raggies, but to all other water users. Then of course there is that "other whole issue" which I don't want to get involved in again ( The one with it's own forum)

Surely we should all be standing on a united front against all of these upcoming proposals?

HMG might just be trying the old idea of divide & conquer !!!


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[oldharry]

Evidence of 3rd Party insurance cover is increasingly widely being looked for, and that seems fair enough in our crowded waters.

If Weymouth were just looking to control PWCs that would seem fair enough - they seem to carry a concentration of the yob element and I think most of us would agree there needs to be some sort of control because many of the riders seem to be completely irresponsible.

But the guy from Weymouth made it abundantly clear in his radio interview that they planned to extend it to 'all power driven boats' next year. Assuming this includes any yacht with an auxiliary (i.e. virtually all of us), then this is the beginnings of the compulsory registration scheme that RYA and so many of us have fought against for years.

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[Sybarite]

I started off by saying that no licensing was best.

If this plainly won't work well try to get something which might. This is not being anti-mobo.

John

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[rich]

We have had compulsory registration in Jersey for all watercraft for years - whether Jet-skis, powerboats, sailing boats, surfboards or surf canoes. You cannot be registered without proof of 3rd party insurance, and cannot bring a speedboat or jet-ski into the Island to use on holiday unless you register it first. Visiting yachtsmen/powerboaters are exempt.
It does not seem to be a problem with anyone, and enables the Harbour Office to keep track of moorings, ownership etc and to know who owns abandonned craft, and of course makes everyone more aware of the insurance necessities.
Just because we are registered does not mean we are examined or licsensed, but at least the Harbour Office knows who owns a particular boat in case of any problems etc.
There is also a 5 knot speed limit for 200 yards from any shore/land including piers.




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[racingron]

I would love to see compulsory licencing of all people in charge of a vessel (possibly excluding boats propelled by oars). That is different to licencing boats.

If any user is in charge of a vessel and acting irresponsibly they should get points (and a fine) or banned.

I cannot see why this would put off responsible sailers/mobos/PWC'ers.

It works in several countries already.

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[Andrew_Fanner]

racingron.

Who pays for the licencing? Three children so money is tight at the moment. I'd rather not have to watch my boat float without me because some lefty in HMG said "yotties are rich, licences cost £200 per annum, official training, renewable every 5 years costs £800".

And think of all those nautical speed cameras, or equivalent. Really want to go that way?

Didn't think so

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[alahol2]

Why do authorities (government, local etc) peddle the idea that in order to enforce the law it is necessary to licence or register? Cyclists have to obey the law and can be prosecuted if they break it, ditto for pedestrians. Licensing does absolutely nothing to assist in applying the law. But it does create a layer of beaurocracy which requires funding and thus a charge for the license. That layer of beaurocracy also has to be managed. Perhaps that's the root of the problem, some jumped up official looking to enlarge his department.

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[dieselhead]

I don’t see it as a problem. Most harbours in the country, and just about every canal and river, has a licensing or registration system. So long as they don’t make it compulsory on a national basis, that would be a worry as it could be the database for a national boat tax




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[oldharry]

But thats exactly the point. Trying to set up a national database registry of every UK owned boat over say 5 metres would be impossible. But if LAs require every boat in their area to be registered, it then becomes dead easy to compile them into a national database - with all the attendant costs born by you and me with a nil retuyrn for our sport - except to the givernment!

As I understand it the biggest obstruction to compulsory licensing up to know has been the impossibility of gathering the required information!

Seems to me that it has now started.

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