RED is DEAD

Really very little information on the details of this.
I work on a fish farm where we can get through thousands of litres a week. Are we classed as agriculture/fishing? Nobody seems to know yet.
 
Kelpie said:
Really very little information on the details of this.
I work on a fish farm where we can get through thousands of litres a week. Are we classed as agriculture/fishing? Nobody seems to know yet.
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I am sure you would be classed as Fishing and would be put in the exemption list, presumably you are travelling out to the farm in a commercial boat and not a yacht ;)
 
AndrewB said:
So now do we get a rash of mobos registering as fishing boats - like last time this happened, was it 30 years ago?
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Oh I'd just love to see anyone try that: even re registering a fishing boat is impossible in some cases. Very different now. In any case I don't see how it could have been done then, there was a requirement to show fishing activity.

Is it duty or tax? Duty is paid and then reclaimed on FVs. There is a minimum usage, and a minimum period between claims.
 
chrishscorp said:
I am sure you would be classed as Fishing and would be put in the exemption list, presumably you are travelling out to the farm in a commercial boat and not a yacht ;)
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The bulk of the fuel isn't used to propel boats. It's used for air compressors and generators which power the feeding systems. We also have shore based plant which presumably would be treated more like construction equipment. But it's all treated as one supply at present, and when it's delivered to our storage tanks you can't predict which machine it will end up going in.
 
Out of interest, if one were planning a gradual shift to white, how many waterside fuel docks in the Solent area currently supply white diesel? I appreciate this is more of an issue in more remote areas with a higher proportion of commercial users.
 
richardsn9 said:
Out of interest, if one were planning a gradual shift to white, how many waterside fuel docks in the Solent area currently supply white diesel? I appreciate this is more of an issue in more remote areas with a higher proportion of commercial users.
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I can't answer your question as I don't sail my own boat in Lake Solent, but suspect none as there has been no regulations for them to do so.

I moved from red to white after a dose of the fuel bug three seasons ago after which I cleaned the tank, pipework and filters. While I only use about 40 ltrs a year I've felt that the engine, a Volvo Penta 2002, has run cleaner and my consumption has improved.
 
richardsn9 said:
Out of interest, if one were planning a gradual shift to white, how many waterside fuel docks in the Solent area currently supply white diesel? I appreciate this is more of an issue in more remote areas with a higher proportion of commercial users.
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We buy 10 or 20 litres at a time at any garage.
It's less agg than queueing at Campers' used to be.
 
Everyone needs to write to their MP about

"Proposed revisions Finance Bill 2020 will:
• amend sections 12 and 14E of HODA to disallow the rebates that apply to diesel, biodiesel and bioblend that are not used for road vehicles on the fuel used for propelling private pleasure craft. In practice such craft have not been benefiting from this rebated rate on the fuel used in propulsion as they have been paying the additional duty to ensure they pay the full rate
• replacing section14F of HODA to create new penalties for using marked fuel for propelling a private pleasure craft similar to those that exist when marked fuel is used in road vehicles"

Boats move around and so boat will get red in their tanks when they go abroad to the Channel Islands for example and to to just about anywhere outside the EU. The Government must not make it illegal to have marked fuel in a tank because it can be purchased legally abroad. They must simply make it unavailable for sale in the UK.
Please write to your MP on this point.
 
chrishscorp said:
I have been running on white for the last year and it doesnt look 'red' anymore, i think after this year it will look pretty clear, whether there is any chemical marker remaining is a very good question, I think it will depend how a test is done, is it a visual one or more detailed one that is perhaps a question that the RYA might wish to persue during this upcoming 'consultation'.
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Red Dye Yellow Marker.

The Red dye can be reduced using Kitty Litter or Fullers earth as some have claimed in the past - but the Yellow Marker is a chemical agent that cannot be removed but luckily for you guys does not 'stain' or create the long lasting effect the dye has on tanks.
Ministry tests usually are visual unless Inspector has reason to believe that the reasonably clear diesel he's looking at is 'suspect' - then its a chemical based test to detect the marker.

The tests for Red and Yellow do allow for change over to white regular diesel and its reduction ... so a small amount detected is not an offence. Over time - that will clear out and you'll be fine.
 
Elessar said:
quite the opposite

2.232 Red diesel: Prohibition of use for propelling private pleasure craft – Private pleasure craft already pay the standard white diesel rate for propulsion. They will still be entitled to use red diesel for their heating use. Where they have one tank for propulsion and heating, the government will explore options that prevent them from having to pay a higher rate of duty on their heating use than they would otherwise have to pay. Details on the implementation of this power will be set out in due course.
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I wonder if they may follow a common practice used over here .... if you can show you have a heating system to use Heating oil (diesel) - you 'buy' a licence that states the maximum amount you may buy over a stipulated period at lower duty rate to use in heating system. The Govt has authority to check your usage and amount outstanding etc.
Yes - its geared for householders with larger tanks - but also applies to small stuff ... but TBH - no-one bothers here for a small boat heater ... they just throw in the cheapest full duty stuff they can get.
 
It is not the point. It needs to be legal to make marked fuel in your tank because it can be legally purchased abroad. That is the point. the UK government needs to regulate its sale not its possession.
 
Seven Spades said:
It is not the point. It needs to be legal to make marked fuel in your tank because it can be legally purchased abroad. That is the point. the UK government needs to regulate its sale not its possession.
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?? Possession leads to misuse ... so have to disagree ...

I am trying to think of anywhere else you can buy dyed diesel at reduced duty for private boats ....

I know my company provides provides many different colour dyes for clients depending on market its going to - but it is usually not for duty identification ... UK has been one of the few to allow boaters access to dyed reduced duty fuel.
 
Seven Spades said:
It is not the point. It needs to be legal to make marked fuel in your tank because it can be legally purchased abroad. That is the point. the UK government needs to regulate its sale not its possession.
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Totally unrealistic.
Go argue that with the Belgians.

Besides the precedent is there with vehicles.
I can drive to some 3rd world country and fill my van with 'red' legally, doesn't make it legal to bring it home.

Plus, the 'red' sold in the UK and EU is marked with 'euromarker'. It's having that in your tank which is illegal in the EU. You can have other red dye, but not 'euromarker' which is chosen for the EU's low tax fuel.
 
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