LadyInBed
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I wonder what the Marine suppliers will do?
One tank of white for us and two of red for fishing boats!
One tank of white for us and two of red for fishing boats!
Red Diesel tax relief lost
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gandy
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It may come from here :
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPorta...tyType=document
"A sample survey by the British Waterways Board, to which 1769 boat owners replied in 2004, showed that the majority of boat owners with continuous cruisers earned less than £15,000 a year before tax, while the majority of boat owners with moorings lived below the average household income rate"
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPorta...tyType=document
"A sample survey by the British Waterways Board, to which 1769 boat owners replied in 2004, showed that the majority of boat owners with continuous cruisers earned less than £15,000 a year before tax, while the majority of boat owners with moorings lived below the average household income rate"
Twister_Ken
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"A sample survey by the British Waterways Board, to which 1769 boat owners replied in 2004, showed that the majority of boat owners with continuous cruisers earned less than £15,000 a year before tax, while the majority of boat owners with moorings lived below the average household income rate"
And how many of them were pensioners?
When I hung around narrowboats many years back most of the permanent residents were what might, euphemistically, be called drop-outs - those seeking an alternative lifestyle who didn't want what might be called a mainstream (pun) modus vivendi. I accept that some of those might now have graduated to pensiondom on the cut, tho' those I knew seem to have married, bought houses and raised kids in private education. Even so, I can see the tabloid headline:
"Government subsidises canal scroungers"
And how many of them were pensioners?
When I hung around narrowboats many years back most of the permanent residents were what might, euphemistically, be called drop-outs - those seeking an alternative lifestyle who didn't want what might be called a mainstream (pun) modus vivendi. I accept that some of those might now have graduated to pensiondom on the cut, tho' those I knew seem to have married, bought houses and raised kids in private education. Even so, I can see the tabloid headline:
"Government subsidises canal scroungers"
jimbaerselman
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With swappable feed lines? It's amazing how big a tank my heater needs . . .
jamesjermain
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This was one of the main planks of teh RYA argument in favour of red diesel and also the reason why it came into leisure use in the first place. In many small fishing harbours it will simply be uneconomic to install white diesel supply points so the number of places were mobos can fill up will decrease - possibly to a dangerous level.
In popular cruising areas the boot may be on the other foot and genuine fishing boats won't be able to get red. In mixed areas, if two supply points are provided, the extra cost will be born by... well there's a surprise. Expect to pay considerably more for your boat's white diesel than you do at a roadside service station for your car
In popular cruising areas the boot may be on the other foot and genuine fishing boats won't be able to get red. In mixed areas, if two supply points are provided, the extra cost will be born by... well there's a surprise. Expect to pay considerably more for your boat's white diesel than you do at a roadside service station for your car
jimi
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On the other hand if the same diesel were supplied everywhere but commercial operators rebated the tax then much simpler,less open to abuse and avoids the downsides you mention
fireball
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Expect to pay considerably more for your boat's white diesel than you do at a roadside service station for your car
[/ QUOTE ] Except for those of us lucky enough to have small tanks that don't need a regular fill - and can be done by Jerry Can (or a trip to the channel islands!)
Expect to pay considerably more for your boat's white diesel than you do at a roadside service station for your car
[/ QUOTE ] Except for those of us lucky enough to have small tanks that don't need a regular fill - and can be done by Jerry Can (or a trip to the channel islands!)
fisherman
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On the other hand if the same diesel were supplied everywhere but commercial operators rebated the tax then much simpler,less open to abuse and avoids the downsides you mention
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Problem with this, as pointed out to me in my post on MOBO, is that farmers will be holding large values of fuel that can legally be used on the road in not very secure tanks. They are not allowed to put the tanks indoors. same with me on the boat.
On the other hand if the same diesel were supplied everywhere but commercial operators rebated the tax then much simpler,less open to abuse and avoids the downsides you mention
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Problem with this, as pointed out to me in my post on MOBO, is that farmers will be holding large values of fuel that can legally be used on the road in not very secure tanks. They are not allowed to put the tanks indoors. same with me on the boat.
jimi
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OK no tax rebate .. just make their existing subsidies bigger .. even easier
gandy
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That would be a good idea actually. If the subsidy compensated for today's tax rise, but allowed the farmer to benefit if he cuts his fuel consumption. Might cut down on some of the use of tractors as personal transport.
fisherman
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I claim back the duty, including this rise, but I don't know if a farmer does. The problem they anticipate is thieving, as do I. It's happening already though, a Newlyn beamer had the tank syphoned into a smaller boat recently, and that could be dangerous to a boat like mine.
Stork_III
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There is nothing in the EU directive that requires diesel for pleasure boats to have the same duty applied as for road fuel.
Its about harmonisation across the EU. It could go up a bit and still comply with the directive.
Possibly it could not go up at all as long as we stop refering to it as a derogation of duty for Pleasure use.
Gordan is a likely to use that tack as he is to make a good PM.
Its about harmonisation across the EU. It could go up a bit and still comply with the directive.
Possibly it could not go up at all as long as we stop refering to it as a derogation of duty for Pleasure use.
Gordan is a likely to use that tack as he is to make a good PM.
