Twister_Ken
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"come on many only fill their tanks every other year! "
Then they'll hardly notice the price increase, will they?
Then they'll hardly notice the price increase, will they?
Red Diesel tax relief lost
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Sans Bateau
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I can see rowlocks and sweeps being fitted!
StugeronSteve
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I can see rowlocks and sweeps being fitted!
[/ QUOTE ] Make a change from the Sootys that most of them have got now.
I can see rowlocks and sweeps being fitted!
[/ QUOTE ] Make a change from the Sootys that most of them have got now.
Steve_N
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anyone know what a realistic annual heating oil usage would be for a 4 bed detached ?
We use around 5000 litres p.a.
We use around 5000 litres p.a.
duncan
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nope - just the fines apparently..........!
I was only responding to the suggestion that everyone would have white tanks inside 12 months here ......... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I was only responding to the suggestion that everyone would have white tanks inside 12 months here ......... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
snowleopard
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Logic says the cost of marine diesel will go up to the same as road fuel because - (a) if it's cheaper than road fuel they will have to keep it coloured to stop people using it in their cars but (b) if it's coloured but more expensive than agricultural fuel then people will be able to use cheap farm diesel in their boats.
The only way to prevent us getting away with unauthorised use of cheap fuel will be to make it uncoloured and charge full road price.
I wonder if they will try to prevent us filling up drums in France and bringing it back.
The only way to prevent us getting away with unauthorised use of cheap fuel will be to make it uncoloured and charge full road price.
I wonder if they will try to prevent us filling up drums in France and bringing it back.
clyst
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It will be a case of use it or "ditch it"
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Logic says the cost of marine diesel will go up to the same as road fuel because - (a) if it's cheaper than road fuel they will have to keep it coloured to stop people using it in their cars but (b) if it's coloured but more expensive than agricultural fuel then people will be able to use cheap farm diesel in their boats.
The only way to prevent us getting away with unauthorised use of cheap fuel will be to make it uncoloured and charge full road price.
I wonder if they will try to prevent us filling up drums in France and bringing it back.
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Why stop at drums?? What is to prevent a group of Mobo owners clubing together to purchase say X many thousand gallons, and bringing it in on a tanker, road or sea going?
Just a thought, but probably a crap idea /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Logic says the cost of marine diesel will go up to the same as road fuel because - (a) if it's cheaper than road fuel they will have to keep it coloured to stop people using it in their cars but (b) if it's coloured but more expensive than agricultural fuel then people will be able to use cheap farm diesel in their boats.
The only way to prevent us getting away with unauthorised use of cheap fuel will be to make it uncoloured and charge full road price.
I wonder if they will try to prevent us filling up drums in France and bringing it back.
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Why stop at drums?? What is to prevent a group of Mobo owners clubing together to purchase say X many thousand gallons, and bringing it in on a tanker, road or sea going?
Just a thought, but probably a crap idea /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Twister_Ken
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They'll have to be careful to keep the price below that of cooking oil, or marinae on Saturday mornings will smell like a busy night at Harry Ramsden's.
awol
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... and what about the green diesel from Eire? Is that still going to be available or has the EC got at them as well?
jhr
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... and what about the green diesel from Eire? Is that still going to be available or has the EC got at them as well?
[/ QUOTE ] One of our Irish members will be able to confirm or deny, but I've a feeling they didn't dispute the ending of derogation. Presumably far fewer diesel mobos, anyway, and no large Irish based Mobo builders, so less of a pressure group than over here.
... and what about the green diesel from Eire? Is that still going to be available or has the EC got at them as well?
[/ QUOTE ] One of our Irish members will be able to confirm or deny, but I've a feeling they didn't dispute the ending of derogation. Presumably far fewer diesel mobos, anyway, and no large Irish based Mobo builders, so less of a pressure group than over here.
wizard
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Its going to be very interesting to see the results of this on the 'new look London boat show' when those that thought they were going to buy a smart new mobo do their sums on the annual fuel bill!!!!!!
CalicoJack
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Just looking for a silver lining. Does this mean that we will now get fuel of a higher quality. Am I right to understand that red diesel was not made to the same standard as road diesel and that if we now get better quality there may be less incidents of diesel bug. Not that much of a silver lining I know.
Twister_Ken
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From the PBO report.
"Worst hit, perhaps, are the people who can least afford road prices - the thousands of pensioners who are cruising the UK's waterways in liveaboard narrow boats. Red diesel is used for everything from heating and cooking to producing electricity, and the average bills would rise by over £300 a year."
This has all the hallmarks of an urban myth. Where are these thousands of pensioners who are cruising our canals 365 days a year? How much fuel does a narrowboat consume at 4 mph? Most narrowboats I've been aboard have a solid fuel stove that burns wood or coke or coal, not diesel. Some even have an Aga-style solid fuel range for cooking.
Oh, and pensioners have just pulled a £200 winter fuel supplement.
"Worst hit, perhaps, are the people who can least afford road prices - the thousands of pensioners who are cruising the UK's waterways in liveaboard narrow boats. Red diesel is used for everything from heating and cooking to producing electricity, and the average bills would rise by over £300 a year."
This has all the hallmarks of an urban myth. Where are these thousands of pensioners who are cruising our canals 365 days a year? How much fuel does a narrowboat consume at 4 mph? Most narrowboats I've been aboard have a solid fuel stove that burns wood or coke or coal, not diesel. Some even have an Aga-style solid fuel range for cooking.
Oh, and pensioners have just pulled a £200 winter fuel supplement.
Sans Bateau
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There will be a good many mobo owners who, either 'cos they are in the very high income bracket, or those who have been able to run their boat through a company, whos to say who was on board for the trip to Cowes on a weekend in the summer! Who will just shrug off the new duty rating. No one has much sympathy for these people.
However should their boat be nearly new or old, there will be a good many people who, maybe already feeling the pinch with mortgage and credit cards after the recent hikes in interest rates who will realy suffer with the new fuel tax. Good people, responsible boat owners, true enthusiasts, these are the people I feel sorry for. They have choosen power boat ownership for many different reasons, now, even if they can sell their boat, they may well have to give up. Pleasure bost ownership will be pooer for these people.
However should their boat be nearly new or old, there will be a good many people who, maybe already feeling the pinch with mortgage and credit cards after the recent hikes in interest rates who will realy suffer with the new fuel tax. Good people, responsible boat owners, true enthusiasts, these are the people I feel sorry for. They have choosen power boat ownership for many different reasons, now, even if they can sell their boat, they may well have to give up. Pleasure bost ownership will be pooer for these people.
Twister_Ken
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" Good people, responsible boat owners, true enthusiasts, these are the people I feel sorry for."
There's always the option of travelling more slowly, or less frequently, or making shorter trips.
Does anybody here know what the difference in fuel consumption is for a modern power boat that's mumbling along at, say 8 kts, as opposed to nailing the throttle at 25kts?
There's always the option of travelling more slowly, or less frequently, or making shorter trips.
Does anybody here know what the difference in fuel consumption is for a modern power boat that's mumbling along at, say 8 kts, as opposed to nailing the throttle at 25kts?
Sans Bateau
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don't disagree with you Ken. Trouble is people who fall into the first of my two categories will still be doing 25kts!
misterg
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Whats to stop you using argicultural diesel if you bring it to the boat? And dont tell anyone!!
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There was a recent (?2 years ago) law introduced which requires anyone who sells 'red' diesel to submit records of every sale to HMRC (ex C&E), together with the identity of the customer.
Andy
Whats to stop you using argicultural diesel if you bring it to the boat? And dont tell anyone!!
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There was a recent (?2 years ago) law introduced which requires anyone who sells 'red' diesel to submit records of every sale to HMRC (ex C&E), together with the identity of the customer.
Andy
Andrew_Fanner
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This has all the hallmarks of an urban myth. Where are these thousands of pensioners who are cruising our canals 365 days a year?
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Er, on the canals?
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How much fuel does a narrowboat consume at 4 mph? Most narrowboats I've been aboard have a solid fuel stove that burns wood or coke or coal, not diesel. Some even have an Aga-style solid fuel range for cooking.
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Liveaboard canal boat has, say a 40HP motor. Not much thinks sailyboat chap, only uses 1/2 gallon per hour so that's from marina to Bar each way and maybe a bit if the wind drops. An hour or so per day.
Narrowboater is running it 8 hours per day and may need to to keep the batteries topped up, got to run that 3kW inverter somehow. Do the sums and then factor in that the boat must be run on a pension, given that the house sale financed the boat. Eberspacher heating is common enough, not all have solid fuel as main heating, more for saloon heat as its pretty, and traditional. I'm not sanguine about those on tighter budgets. As for the hireboat industry, maybe extra tax can be claimed by the company, but it will certainly smack £50+ on the cost of a week's hire.
Leave the EU? Looks like a good plan from where I'm sitting.
This has all the hallmarks of an urban myth. Where are these thousands of pensioners who are cruising our canals 365 days a year?
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Er, on the canals?
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How much fuel does a narrowboat consume at 4 mph? Most narrowboats I've been aboard have a solid fuel stove that burns wood or coke or coal, not diesel. Some even have an Aga-style solid fuel range for cooking.
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Liveaboard canal boat has, say a 40HP motor. Not much thinks sailyboat chap, only uses 1/2 gallon per hour so that's from marina to Bar each way and maybe a bit if the wind drops. An hour or so per day.
Narrowboater is running it 8 hours per day and may need to to keep the batteries topped up, got to run that 3kW inverter somehow. Do the sums and then factor in that the boat must be run on a pension, given that the house sale financed the boat. Eberspacher heating is common enough, not all have solid fuel as main heating, more for saloon heat as its pretty, and traditional. I'm not sanguine about those on tighter budgets. As for the hireboat industry, maybe extra tax can be claimed by the company, but it will certainly smack £50+ on the cost of a week's hire.
Leave the EU? Looks like a good plan from where I'm sitting.
