Schengen crew lists can be found here: http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/Pages/customsformalities.aspx
Right hand side -> downloads.
Seems they are country specific as there is a Belgian and Dutch one.
Red Diesel saga
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Schengen crew lists can be found here: http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/Pages/customsformalities.aspx
Right hand side -> downloads.
Seems they are country specific as there is a Belgian and Dutch one.
prv
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Thanks. Not just a crew list, then, but (especially the Belgian one) a general arrival form not unlike the Channel Islands customs.
Presumably, since these are specific forms, they issue them on arrival rather than expect you to have them on board already?
Pete
Sybarite
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Coincidentally I wrote to the French Douane today asking them to clarify certain matters with respect to visiting sailors and I included the red diesel issue as an example of their concerns.
GrahamM376
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Been using white exclusively for 8 years now, occasional fills before that. No problems whatsoever.
sailorman
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as have most of Continental Europe these past 15 yrs, the British seem to like to hype up bio issues in white diesel
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I've swapped to white this year. Far easier to get it from the garage on the way to the boat than make my way to the local quayside pump. Saying that I only used 25l last summer.
westhinder
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Actually, I don't care a hoot what colour diesel you use. BUT! If I happen to go to the UK and have to fill up with red diesel, which is what is available, I am in breach of the law and face a hefty fine when checked at home.
You may be surprised to learn that Belgian Customs regularly check Belgian yachts for the use of red diesel.
I circumnavigated the UK two years ago and had no choice but to use red diesel. Now, nearly two years on, the red dye is still perfectly traceable. If I happen to get checked, I will be fined. By the way, did you know Belgian Customs regularly check cars and lorries, both Belgian and foreign, for red Diesel? Not at the border, but anywhere on the motorways. Recent figures show that 1.4% are found using red diesel.
France, The Netherlands, Belgium,... All used to allow the use of red diesel for boats. All switched to white when the rules changed, without fuss, without outcry. I fail to see why that wouldn't be possible in the UK. But then you are still driving on the wrong side of the road, so it must be a cultural thing
Elemental
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I would like the UK to enforce the use of white diesel for leisure marine use. However the remoteness of some parts of the UK coastline would make it uneconimic for white to be available alongside red in some areas - it genuinely isn't the same as for, say, the Belgian coastline. However, the UK came up with this ridiculous fudge 40/60 fudge. I fail to why why fishing boats couldn't use white diesel then just reclaim the tax from HMRC like other business expenses... And then there could be white everywhere. And quite how a cruising mobo can claim that they uise 40% of their diesel for heating is beyond me - no wonder other countries are incredulous...France, The Netherlands, Belgium,... All used to allow the use of red diesel for boats. All switched to white when the rules changed, without fuss, without outcry. I fail to see why that wouldn't be possible in the UK. But then you are still driving on the wrong side of the road, so it must be a cultural thing
Garold
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Actually, I don't care a hoot what colour diesel you use. BUT! If I happen to go to the UK and have to fill up with red diesel, which is what is available, I am in breach of the law and face a hefty fine when checked at home.
You may be surprised to learn that Belgian Customs regularly check Belgian yachts for the use of red diesel.
I circumnavigated the UK two years ago and had no choice but to use red diesel. Now, nearly two years on, the red dye is still perfectly traceable. If I happen to get checked, I will be fined. By the way, did you know Belgian Customs regularly check cars and lorries, both Belgian and foreign, for red Diesel? Not at the border, but anywhere on the motorways. Recent figures show that 1.4% are found using red diesel.
France, The Netherlands, Belgium,... All used to allow the use of red diesel for boats. All switched to white when the rules changed, without fuss, without outcry. I fail to see why that wouldn't be possible in the UK. But then you are still driving on the wrong side of the road, so it must be a cultural thing
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post, I think that other countries do have their own money saving tricks for boat owners.
Several EU countries have the vat saving leasing schemes for boat purchase.
Also, I'm not sure if it's true but a friend of mine said that in France, some of the smaller private angling boats are classified as fishing boats and can fuel with reduced tax fuel and get some tax relief on their costs.
The UK treatment of marine diesel use may be no more contrived than rules in other countries.
There are regular checks on commercial vehicles for use of red diesel in the UK. Checking cars is much less often.
Garold
DJE
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What do they do with boats returning from outside the EU (Channel Islands or possibly USA) and carrying red deisel in their tanks?
sailorman
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westhinder
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Which leads to the rather absurd situation that the large majority of bboats wearing the Belgian flag in France are owned by Frenchmen and have never been, nor will ever be, in Belgium. The same applies to many apparently French or German boats in Belgium. Dealers of French yachts routinely offer the lease-option in order to avoid paying VAT.
By the way, most small motorboats wearing a Belgian flag in France do so primarilu in order to avoid the stricter security regulations, which oblige them to have a liferaft if theywant to go further from shelter than (I think) 6 miles.
Glisferox
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Nasty things.
http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/germany-fines-red-diesel-yachtsmen-3896
I fear that seceding from the EU will, in this case, have no effect and may even make things worse.
Cantata
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+1, absolutely.
Koeketiene
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+2
Common sense really.
One of the main opponents of this scheme were the marinas (through the BMF).
They argued that the marinas would incur the cost of having to have their fuel tanks cleaned to remove all traces of 'red'.
Like occasionally cleaning your fule tanks is such a bad idea.
Daydream believer
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sailorman
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Do you really need spoonfeeding @ your age
sailorman
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Daydream believer
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Do you really need spoonfeeding @ your age
The relevant comment being " at my age" thankyou
But then age might not be the problem ,as your link did not work for me
So we are back to " where?"
NormanS
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+2
Common sense really.
One of the main opponents of this scheme were the marinas (through the BMF).
They argued that the marinas would incur the cost of having to have their fuel tanks cleaned to remove all traces of 'red'.
Like occasionally cleaning your fule tanks is such a bad idea.
Why should every quayside supplier of marine diesel in the country have to change their business, so that a few yachties can go and visit Belgium? It's not just marinas, it would be every supplier in every port in the UK.
