BrendanS
Well-known member
I'm still interested in how the paypal fraud part is achieved.
Thanks to everyone for advise on selling!
Thanks to everyone for advise on selling!
Raymarine equipment Ebay fraud
- Thread starter Gludy
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pvb
Well-known member
PayPal Buyer Protection...
Most of these scams are by sellers who use newly-registered eBay identities, often with zero feedback. Because of this, PayPal Buyer Protection doesn't apply (it only applies for sellers with at least 50 feedbacks, with 98% positive rating). In the absence of PayPal Buyer Protection, buyers are left with eBay's standard protection which only offers £105 max.
Most of these scams are by sellers who use newly-registered eBay identities, often with zero feedback. Because of this, PayPal Buyer Protection doesn't apply (it only applies for sellers with at least 50 feedbacks, with 98% positive rating). In the absence of PayPal Buyer Protection, buyers are left with eBay's standard protection which only offers £105 max.
Steve Clayton
New member
Re: PayPal Buyer Protection...
So ESCROW must be the best option if you've got a suspect seller??
(Buyer makes payment via a third party who releases the payment to Seller on instructions from the Buyer; if nothing turns up the payment is returned to Buyer - minus small holding fee).
So ESCROW must be the best option if you've got a suspect seller??
(Buyer makes payment via a third party who releases the payment to Seller on instructions from the Buyer; if nothing turns up the payment is returned to Buyer - minus small holding fee).
pvb
Well-known member
Escrow drawback...
The drawback of escrow is that both buyer and seller must agree to it before the auction finishes. Somehow don't think a dodgy seller's going to be too keen on agreeing to escrow!
The drawback of escrow is that both buyer and seller must agree to it before the auction finishes. Somehow don't think a dodgy seller's going to be too keen on agreeing to escrow!
BlueChip
Active member
Re: PayPal Buyer Protection...
With high value items the safest way is always to meet up and hand over the cash after inspection. Any reputable seller will agree to that
I have bought no end of boat stuff often unseen, but with high value items > £250 I always meet the seller. Get his home address, phone number and make a note of his car reg after the transaction. If he is honest he won't object to that. So far sellers I have dealt with have always been honest and the highest value deal I did was for a brand new RL80CRC radar at over £1,000
My son has just today bought a £22,000 BMW convertible from a buyer we met through an advert on eBay. We looked at quite a few and in only one case did we find a seller who we thought was fishy and would not give us his address - he may of course have been equally worried we were going to steal the car.
Most eBayers are honest, feedback is everything and most sellers will do a lot to protect their reputation
With high value items the safest way is always to meet up and hand over the cash after inspection. Any reputable seller will agree to that
I have bought no end of boat stuff often unseen, but with high value items > £250 I always meet the seller. Get his home address, phone number and make a note of his car reg after the transaction. If he is honest he won't object to that. So far sellers I have dealt with have always been honest and the highest value deal I did was for a brand new RL80CRC radar at over £1,000
My son has just today bought a £22,000 BMW convertible from a buyer we met through an advert on eBay. We looked at quite a few and in only one case did we find a seller who we thought was fishy and would not give us his address - he may of course have been equally worried we were going to steal the car.
Most eBayers are honest, feedback is everything and most sellers will do a lot to protect their reputation
BlueSkyNick
Active member
Re: Escrow drawback...
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Precisely - point proven, m'lud !
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.... Somehow don't think a dodgy seller's going to be too keen on agreeing to escrow!
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Precisely - point proven, m'lud !
Colinl
New member
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Just a warning - someone on Ebay is advertising the RL70C in a productivity pack for real great prices ..... they ask you to pay using the Ebay authorised system that guarantees you get the goods and they get the money ... you even get a nice authorisation from Ebay .... but its a fraud.
I posted this just to warn anyone being tempted.
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What is the fraud and if its a fraud Ebay would have removed it. I presume you have notified Ebay
Cheers
Colin
Just a warning - someone on Ebay is advertising the RL70C in a productivity pack for real great prices ..... they ask you to pay using the Ebay authorised system that guarantees you get the goods and they get the money ... you even get a nice authorisation from Ebay .... but its a fraud.
I posted this just to warn anyone being tempted.
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What is the fraud and if its a fraud Ebay would have removed it. I presume you have notified Ebay
Cheers
Colin
alex_rogers
New member
Re: New seller tips...
According to the eBay Help, A-Z index, on "Ending your listing early", cancelling your eBay auction because it hasn't reached a decent price is naughty. They say:
Note: Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be reserve fee circumvention. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated.
I'd be quite annoyed with a seller who clearly pulled an item to avoid selling at a bargin price. However, given eBay's lack of response to most issues, I doubt that they would follow up any complaint.
According to the eBay Help, A-Z index, on "Ending your listing early", cancelling your eBay auction because it hasn't reached a decent price is naughty. They say:
Note: Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be reserve fee circumvention. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated.
I'd be quite annoyed with a seller who clearly pulled an item to avoid selling at a bargin price. However, given eBay's lack of response to most issues, I doubt that they would follow up any complaint.
pvb
Well-known member
You\'re right ...
You're right, it's veh veh naughty indeed, and the full force of eBay's regulatory enforcement system might land on you, like a fairy's sigh. I just mentioned it because it's a possible course of action which some sellers take in certain circumstances. But in the vast majority of cases, stuff sells for sensible prices without problems.
Talking Raymarine, there's a Norfolk-based Raymarine seller who's done this "early ending" stunt a few times. And there's some poor guy right now who keeps trying to shift a Sealine 28 mobo and whose auction keeps getting ended early because there's "an error in the listing".
In my experience, eBay's regulatory system is useless and impenetrably complex. There is no way you can find an email address to complain to. There's a complaint form system but it doesn't work properly. When you eventually manage to establish a dialogue with eBay's "Safe Harbor" team, you just get automated placid responses. One of my sales went wrong because I couldn't contact the buyer - the email address eBay had given me for the buyer was wrong. So wrong, in fact, that it was in another country and it was with an ISP which had gone out of business 6 months earlier! As a result, disgruntled buyer gave me negative feedback. Under eBay's rules, I can have that negative feedback removed because eBay messed up the communication process. In practice, after 3 months of exchanging emails with eBay, I gave up. Life's too short!
You're right, it's veh veh naughty indeed, and the full force of eBay's regulatory enforcement system might land on you, like a fairy's sigh. I just mentioned it because it's a possible course of action which some sellers take in certain circumstances. But in the vast majority of cases, stuff sells for sensible prices without problems.
Talking Raymarine, there's a Norfolk-based Raymarine seller who's done this "early ending" stunt a few times. And there's some poor guy right now who keeps trying to shift a Sealine 28 mobo and whose auction keeps getting ended early because there's "an error in the listing".
In my experience, eBay's regulatory system is useless and impenetrably complex. There is no way you can find an email address to complain to. There's a complaint form system but it doesn't work properly. When you eventually manage to establish a dialogue with eBay's "Safe Harbor" team, you just get automated placid responses. One of my sales went wrong because I couldn't contact the buyer - the email address eBay had given me for the buyer was wrong. So wrong, in fact, that it was in another country and it was with an ISP which had gone out of business 6 months earlier! As a result, disgruntled buyer gave me negative feedback. Under eBay's rules, I can have that negative feedback removed because eBay messed up the communication process. In practice, after 3 months of exchanging emails with eBay, I gave up. Life's too short!
Gludy
Active member
Its explained that you pay by Western Untion using ebay to monitor and guarantee,
You then get the ebay guarantee with steps to transfer by Western Union - only its a false Ebay authorisation.
Ebay have reported it as fraud.
You then get the ebay guarantee with steps to transfer by Western Union - only its a false Ebay authorisation.
Ebay have reported it as fraud.
Gludy
Active member
The item was pulled by Ebay so item number is meaningless now.
Its the Raymarine value pack.
As others have said he re-registers all the time - he has no selling history and that is a huge warning to begin with.
Its the Raymarine value pack.
As others have said he re-registers all the time - he has no selling history and that is a huge warning to begin with.
snowleopard
Active member
Ebay regulation
I sent them an email about an Ebay shop operator who consistenly lied about his goods - inflated RRPs quoted. Ebay's response was summed up as 'buyer beware - your problem'.
I sent them an email about an Ebay shop operator who consistenly lied about his goods - inflated RRPs quoted. Ebay's response was summed up as 'buyer beware - your problem'.
ParaHandy
Active member
any western union payment method should be avoided like the plague unless you're very sure .. most fraudsters use western union
Steve Clayton
New member
Re: Ebay regulation
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Name and shame here and then send him the link to the thread /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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....an Ebay shop operator who consistenly lied about his goods - inflated RRPs quoted....
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Name and shame here and then send him the link to the thread /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
aitchw
New member
Re: You\'re right ...
There is a great deal about eBay that is totally unsatisfactory and some which is actually contrary to US and UK business law but until it is challenged in the courts eBay will continue as they are. One of the most contentious claims is that they are not an auction house and do not, as a result, have to comply with the rules imposed which make auction houses much more responsible for the goods sold through them.
I expect it is only a matter of time before major legal challenges are lodged.
In the meantime you have to ask yourself if you would prefer there to be no eBay.
We all have a choice as to whether we buy or sell through them.
Sadly, it is the only game in town, none of the others being worth a light in comparison.
There is a great deal about eBay that is totally unsatisfactory and some which is actually contrary to US and UK business law but until it is challenged in the courts eBay will continue as they are. One of the most contentious claims is that they are not an auction house and do not, as a result, have to comply with the rules imposed which make auction houses much more responsible for the goods sold through them.
I expect it is only a matter of time before major legal challenges are lodged.
In the meantime you have to ask yourself if you would prefer there to be no eBay.
We all have a choice as to whether we buy or sell through them.
Sadly, it is the only game in town, none of the others being worth a light in comparison.
Sailfree
Well-known member
Be aware that if you buy any item on e bay using an American Express card or Dinners card Paypal kindly convert the £ price to $ and charge the $ to your card. American Express then charge your card with the £ equivalent but price has increased by the exchange rate charges TWICE. Complaints to e bay or pay pal get you nowhere. American Express gave me a refund and state they are investigating the matter!
Steve Clayton
New member
Ebay email address witha real person on the other end
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In my experience, eBay's regulatory system is useless and impenetrably complex. There is no way you can find an email address to complain to.
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This works and they have always replied to me:
ukrswebhelp@ebay.com
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In my experience, eBay's regulatory system is useless and impenetrably complex. There is no way you can find an email address to complain to.
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This works and they have always replied to me:
ukrswebhelp@ebay.com
BlueSkyNick
Active member
here is a dodgy one which just appeared - it has all the characteristics of a fraud,
eg low starting price, same format of advert, very short auction time, and the username started on today's date ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...;category=31276
eg low starting price, same format of advert, very short auction time, and the username started on today's date ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...;category=31276
Steve Clayton
New member
Hi Nick,
it's not there anymore.......
it's not there anymore.......