Question About Life rafts

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Have you seen any evidence of people needing to take to a liferaft in Scottish waters because of failed seacocks or shaft seals causing the boat to sink?
Did not a Hanse 37 lose its rudder due to some machining to the shaft for an autopilot causing the shaft to snap. This caused the boat to sink. I believe that happened somewhere in that area. Not sure if the rescue services got there in time.
 

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As this is advertised at a price at least £100 more than a two tube Seago life raft I think I would go for the two tube everytime.

That's a silly price, I chose the site because it went into some detail about the raft. Don't blame you for choosing the two tube, good pick.

However, if I wanted a raft, I would have the lighter, smaller, easier to stow alternative - unless I was venturing offshore, which I am not.
 

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That's a silly price, I chose the site because it went into some detail about the raft. Don't blame you for choosing the two tube, good pick.

However, if I wanted a raft, I would have the lighter, smaller, easier to stow alternative - unless I was venturing offshore, which I am not.
To be honest most of the sailing I do now is very much local coastal, but the life raft is on board more to keep SWMBO happy, more than a safety equipment choice.
The only time I have ever seen any of the life rafts I have had on board inflated in over 50 years of mucking about in boats was when I arranged to see one of them serviced, otherwise the something in the canister/vallice remains an unknown item, and one which with the sailing I do now may be OTT, but I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of keeping one on board.
 

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Have you seen any evidence of people needing to take to a liferaft in Scottish waters because of failed seacocks or shaft seals causing the boat to sink? Why should being in remote areas make such an event more likely? I appreciate that assistance is perhaps less prompt.

One can imagine all sorts of things that might happen - particularly negative ones, but do they actually happen?
The MV Louisa was lost at anchor off Mingulay in 2016 because of a failure of a seawater plumbing system. Three lives lost. The liferaft, fully serviced and in date, failed to inflate. The servicing centre had mixed up the tare and filled weights on the cylinder.
 

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I have always been on the fence about Liferafts ...... which I find interesting considering my background.

At times I have carried a partially inflated Avon ... or a copy of the Soviet SF 2 man inflatable ... but later trips ... not bothered.

With my larger latest boat - I have the space to carry one ... so ????
 

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The MV Louisa was lost at anchor off Mingulay in 2016 because of a failure of a seawater plumbing system. Three lives lost. The liferaft, fully serviced and in date, failed to inflate. The servicing centre had mixed up the tare and filled weights on the cylinder.
.....and the CG failed to respond to the EPIRB for 43 minutes. We await the MAIB report on a similar local case.
 

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Did not a Hanse 37 lose its rudder due to some machining to the shaft for an autopilot causing the shaft to snap. This caused the boat to sink. I believe that happened somewhere in that area. Not sure if the rescue services got there in time.
Actually Irish - the boat was also Irish owned. On its way back from a transatlantic trip. Freak event and never really explained. the location was irrelevant except that there was another vessel in sight which rescued them and the overall rescue process was exemplary.
 

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The MV Louisa was lost at anchor off Mingulay in 2016 because of a failure of a seawater plumbing system. Three lives lost. The liferaft, fully serviced and in date, failed to inflate. The servicing centre had mixed up the tare and filled weights on the cylinder.
When I carried out a review of the reported incidents of yachts foundering in UK and Irish waters or UK registered boats from late 90s to about 2013, largely drawn from MAIB reports, failure of rafts to deploy was common, as was difficulties in actually deploying the raft and boarding. Poor servicing was the reason in at least 3 cases I remember. I posted my findings here, but I have not followed it up partly because there have been so few reported incidents since then and the lessons from that period are still valid. Many of the operational issues have been addressed with improvements in design and construction of rafts, particularly righting and easier boarding.
 

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Probably a long time. Most yachts seem to survive the attentions of the orcas, but I did se a report recently of one boat sinking and crew taking to the liferaft.
There's have now been two vessels sunk by orcas. The first was a Sadler (32 I think) and the second possibly a Beneteau Oceanis, but I'm not 100% on that one.
 

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... The boat is a Bav 30, so 31' LOA - I'm wondering how obtrusive the pushpit option is, whether that weight at the back would have any adverse effect on performance or manoeuvring, or whether indeed I need one at all? Thoughts?,
We have a canister life raft mounted in a cradle on the stern of our Bav 30. I don’t know how or if it affects performance as it is always there and I don’t have anything to compare it to. The only time that it is intrusive is when we moor stern to and I want to step off onto the port side finger pontoon instead of the main pontoon. Not really a problem, and it doesn’t get in the way of other safety gear on the rails, or in the way when I’m fishing.

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Did not a Hanse 37 lose its rudder due to some machining to the shaft for an autopilot causing the shaft to snap. This caused the boat to sink. I believe that happened somewhere in that area. Not sure if the rescue services got there in time.
I think that was Megawatt.

They launched their life raft to transfer to another yacht which was nearby, the raft only partially inflated.

All on board were rescued and the raft was located sometime later. It had not been assembled properly even though it had been serviced by an approved service center.

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