Project Persevere 82 Ft of wooden craftwork

Is this private water or not, as far as I am aware all water is "British water" even the stream that runs though my garden. I own the land on ether side BUT NOT the water. You may be free to navigate it whatever any boat or marine yard owner says. A check with the London Docks and water Board has to say may be worth the enquiry.
 
Here's me fretting over this at 3 AM on a Sunday morning, I don't know who can give me the definitive answer , but I'm waiting for replies from everyone from the MCA to the Royal Navy, the problem remains .
She is my vessel, my boat, but unless I cast her adrift with a rescue boat within whispering range , she is liable to hit someone elses boat , and [--word removed--] happens . If anybody wants to take the time to look her over , let me know , but she is so worth saving
 
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40' x 80' Dry dock here:

Floating Dry Dock

Can you cut 2' off Persevere so's she'll fit?

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This looks like a reasonable possibility will the present owner allow it's use on a contract with his help as he should be conversant with it. If this is viable will she fit in some very accurate measuring is in order. Is the 40ft beam enough to allow her to be corner to corner and could it be got near enough to be able to float her in.
Good luck with this one Dave.
 
Looking closer I see length is not necessarily a problem. There are no bow doors. The buoyancy is in the side hulls (sort of an inverted catamaran!). Flood them and down it goes. Pump them out and up she rises.

Trouble is it's for sale not hire. Some negotiation required perhaps?
 
Presumably there is an agreement in place regarding the purchase of the boat. Did that agreement stipulate removal or storage conditions?

You state that some planking requires replacement but have you carried out some sort of thorough structural survey? Before obtaining insurance that would be a requirement which for safety is only prudent. You say she lifts with the tide but stresses imposed when under tow will be of a different order.

You will have to do the job properly and it would be as well to face that fact before spending further time and money on a rotten hulk beyond economic repair.

A thorough survey will enable you to continue with eyes open and confidence that you are not throwing time and effort into a bottomless pit.

If the survey shows she is insurable and is likely to withstand her move succesfully you are on an easier path to a good outcome.

In your attempt to move a wreck what protection have you from third party claims?
 
Thanks for all the input folks, and yes, the floating dry dock would be an excellent option, but can you find one that meets the narrow beam requirement , I'm afraid 40 ft would never get through.

she IS a rotten hulk, I don't see that a survey would tell me any more than I already know. This is a rescue of an historic vessel, none profit making, bottomless pit. She is going to take all the money I can throw at her, and then some. My only hope, is to save her from the chainsaw.

Keep up the help though, all is not lost till the chainsaw starts cutting
 
Strikes me that if you can't get a floating dock in, and there's not enough room for camels, then she'll have to float out on her own bottom. For that to happen she'll need enough structural integrity to satisfy potential insurers even for 3rd party risks.

Sheathing her in glass & epoxy (even polyester resin might do) could be an option, but would require a helluva lot of manhours and would be a bitch between tides.

Could you 'simply' sheath strips around her every few metres with a longitudinal down each side (and perhaps the garboards)? Even if the glass didn't stick you could spike it to the hull.

Sod the cosmetics. Blatter it on with a CSM Spray Gun.

CSM Spray Gun
 
Theres a guy at Eel pie Island thats chicken wired his wooden boat and is going to spray it with concrete , it solves all the problems so im told . But again you need to be out of the water . I was back down at Eel Pie Saturday night and tried again to find someone to at least have a look at her but all i managed to get was a hangover im afraid .
 
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Sod the cosmetics. Blatter it on with a CSM Spray Gun.

CSM Spray Gun

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Been thinking again. Why not blatter the CSM on the inside?

It's turning into quite a brainstorming session this thread. Dave, could you start a new one please? This one's taking ages to load even on Broadband (or whatever my connection is out here in the middle of the Oggin)
 
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Persevere will be treated as tresspasing and will be removed by them , WITH A CHAIN SAW.

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You need proper legal advice here but this is your property, surely they are not entitled to destroy it? Trespass law (as far as I understand it) allows only whatever reasonable force is needed to remove the trespasser.
I'm not convinced a boat can actually be a trespasser, only a person!

Sounds more like nasty threats than a legal statement.
 
The measures described above attempting to make her watertight assume some degree of structural integrity exists. If the structure is sound an external reinforced geotextile - pond liner type material - would suffice to control water ingress. A thorough survey with a sharp screwdriver to establish in detail that structural integrity is required.

Assume that she inadvertently collides with some other vessel en-route or someone is injured or she sinks and must be removed.

Where will you be without third party insurance?
 
dave, to be honest this is a simple decision !! ive moved a wooden boat built in 1901 from its grave 12mts ago i dug it up pumped it dry floated it tied it to a trawler and the new owner towed it to wales (entire job took 4 days) my own big boat was bought as part of a quay. 20 years of growth on the decks etc!!
how much do you need /want this boat?
(a) higher/buy/rent the dry dock advertised above
(b) sheet in glassfibre and tow
(c) sheet in plastic sheeting(normally we use 1200 grade black or grey sheeting) tow
you will need to take several Big 3 inch or bigger waterpumps petrol or diesel, you cant have 2 many on board
you will have to warp her out of her current location anyway to either load onto a drydock or to hook up with a tow vessel
dont rule out the use of your own motor cruiser. or friends motor cruisers, or small fishing trawlers. (just keep an axe beside the tow rope.
questions: what is the rise and all in this area?
what tidal flow will you be crossing?
Are you prepared to "bite the bulit" and go for it?

nothing is impossible. you just need to Want it badly enough.


regards
mick b
 
This is my absolute last post on here , and any other forum , because as a result of the ridicule and trivial respones I've had on here, Anthony has decided that the agreement we had is cancelled. Anthony now still owns Persevere and intends feeding her to the fire , because the agreement we had was that all other vessels and the waters of Conyer Creek would be insured against Persevere sinking. The purchase price was waived, and I could have saved her, except for one thing. The help ? from this forum led him to believe that I wanted to move her without this insurance, and the fact that he got upset about the trespass remark from me . I have had loads of PM's and e.mails from people that seem to despise what I tried to do. Even some suggesting it was a spoof thread (I wish, cost me about £150 in fuel alone)
So as Kieth is aware , I am bowing out of this forum , but for those that know me , I'm still watching ,
Take care those that are friends (almost poetic)
And for those that aren't,

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