Project Persevere 82 Ft of wooden craftwork

Is it a feasibility to lift her out is there enough room on her port side cannot see from the photos and then do the work on her in this yard to put her into a movable seaworthy condition, or 'DO' have to move her out of there altogether.
The insurance position is a big bummer. Could it be done on a third party risks only. I do not know much about insurance but surely some way must be out there, even some rip off merchant for a high premium just for the one off move.
 
She'd collapse if lifted and it's a road next to her ,

And it's worth a bottle of Scotlands amber nectar to anyone that can find an insurance company that will cover the move
 
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Ouch it's that bad?
So a gentle floating trip is the only answer.
Now to go for that Scottish Wine.
Has any one hinted at the level of cover you would need ££££s. I do have a Friend who has been/is in insurance now retired but still doe's a little I will speak to him in the morning and see if he can make any suggestions.
 
The only way that I can see this working , is to insure against third party damage and clearup costs , or to find a floating dry dock that can do the job without crippling me financially . Nobody is going to provide coverage for Persevere as she stands , and there is too much work for the time I have available.

Hats on guys , and the winning solution gets the bottle !
 
I can't be ar$ed re-reading all the posts, but has anyone suggest a Marine Salvage company as opposed to a tug and a tow? All your costs should be rolled into one bill for either a) failure, or b) success.

Marine Salvage

A 15 year old Glendronach will be fine, thankyou.
 
No help on insurance I'm afraid but I do have a naval architect friend who says he will chuck in a stability/incline test when you finally get her done if that is any help.
 
Could you pass ownership of the barge to a limited company.

I cannot see anyone taking the risk on the boat itself but at least that should protect you personally against 3rd party risks, particularly if you hire a skipper to command the barge during passage.

There may be other advantages too, particularly if you want to operate the finished object on some commercial basis.
 
The Marine Salvage sounds an idea but I think to comply with It "within the meaning of the rules" you may have to move her from her mooring and sort of abandon her just as an unknown salvage boat comes along, of course you would have no prvise knowledge of his arrival.
Or how about as I believe you are a self employed "Electrical Installation Engineer" do you have a personal / public liability insurance, would your insurers give you the one off cover for Your personal actions.
We have public liability for our old "still very active and ridden by a youngster at shows" pony he is over 16 years old and full insurance is very costly so P/L is the answer to cover third party's.
 
The marine salvage idea is one that I have thought of , but Persevere would have to be adrift with a marine salvage vessel close by , without any previous agreement or contract between me and them. They would also have to have the right equipment to be able to do this. And I can't be involved in the arrangements , HINT HINT , bottle of Scotch is still waiting
 
I must be too honest. I wasn't implying you drag her out of her berth and wait on an , ahem, convenient, salvage company to come sauntering by.

I was thinking more along the lines of you contracting a Specialist Salvage Company (one with the experience and hardware) with a view to negotiating a contract to get Persevere from A to B; with two possible outcomes; success or failure.

They might be more inclined to take on such a contract were you to accept their best endeavours without guarantees.
 
That's where the bottle comes in, I can't find one, if anyone can find someone willing to undertake the move to Fambridge , although an affordable floating dry dock would be best,
then a bottle of Scotch (UP TO £50-00)

IS THEIRS
 
Just thinking about the lifting out option. Big advantage is it gets round the insurance problem, including the sea voyage. It would also allow you to put the boat on any land suitable, maybe next to your house, rather than have to pay expensive marina type charges whilst renovation takes place.

Would it not be possible to construct a giant "hammock" with steel girders along the length. There could also be small girders/beams to keep the two lifting beams apart, so the hull does not get crushed. However not sure whether you could move such a long load by road.

Alternatively...have you asked British Waterways whether they have a floating dock? They have all sorts of vessels and they must have had to deal with the removal of terminally ill boats. You would need to talk to a proper experienced engineer/maintenance man rather than the bloke in the local office.

If you want a hand for a couple of days when you move her let me know.
Good luck. Paul
 
British waterways may be able to help but does anyone know who to speak to ?

Road transport has been ruled out partly because of her dimensions, and partly because a lift out regardless of how much support she had , would be a massive strain on the old girl.

As said before , I am not worried about losing the purchase price at all . I am more concerned that she makes it to the new moorings intact .

The lift bag / support bag system would make her beam too wide to pass through the chanel , and still relies on a tug skipper being willing to take the tow, and the third party insurance problem still exists ,

But keep thinking folks, I do believe the forum can solve this one
 
Have you thought about Babcock disposals that sell off the ex navy stuff?

http://www.babcockdisposals.co.uk

Failing that, if moving her is so tough, why dont you move to her? Go live right by her, still need to get her high and dry though.

Think I'd be inclined to fill her with expanding foam and tow her, foam would add a bit to her stength evenly distributed and you could hack it out later.

Just exactly how fragile do you think she is?
 
Latest update brings some urgency to this matter
The previous owners of Persevere have , unfortunately , been listening to the tug people and don't think there is any way this move can happen, and have stated, that unless Persevere is moved before their new boat needs the mooring, Persevere will be treated as tresspasing and will be removed by them , WITH A CHAIN SAW.
Other groups are now involved in trying to save Persevere, but I am sure we can do it, but we need something that works , in place, urgently.

Please remember, I am doing this for now , out of my own pocket. I can't afford to buy another boat to move her, if someone knows the man that can , and will , please put me on to him
Thanks again
Dave
 
If Persever lets go her mooring lines under full control she becomes vessel under way and any intrusion on her would be come illegal under
British maritime law. How can you be considered to be trespassing in a navigable water.
 
According to the owners of the mooring , they want her gone , I suppose it's a little bit like somebody buying a car off you , then not taking it off your drive , and everyone on the road saying they will not let the car go along a private road without insurance
 
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