Project Persevere 82 Ft of wooden craftwork

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will you post the info on afromsia as a friend of mine used it for his decks several years ago. its great wearing, and still looks well. i think he bought it in Malta where he rebuilt the boat.
also if your interested trinity marine in teignmouth have a large amount on reclaimed teak all cut and holes filled etc their no is 01626 778331.
regards
mick b
 
Timberworld can get it and you can find your local branch online . My supplier told me there is a small amount of 100x100 in the country . Sailorman was half right about it , it is on the soon to be endangered list and has an export permit with it to prove its been legally logged .
Back to the drawing board for me .
 
Do you know what sizes of Teak they have ?
Speaking of Teak i heard on the grapevine the New Windsor Castle is to be broken for her timber . 100 odd foot of Burma Teak . Thats 100 foot of boat made of Burma Teak .
 
Just to update everyone on whats going on , first contact from Jane , I'm sure she won't mind copy and paste , and if you're watching , say hello

THESE ARE SOME OF THE EMAILS I HAVE , AND THANKS TO ALL

Hi
I dont know if you are still the owner of Persevere. Might interest you to know that my grand dad was once the skipper on her. He was called Fred Cooper and was well known amongst the barging fraternity. Would be nice to know if anything has progressed with her
Janet


Hi Janet
I have literally , only just completed the purchase of her , with the intention to move her to a location closer to my home so that renovation work can be started, but it would be interesting to know anything you know about her and her history. I am curious though, how did you find out that I now own her.
Cheers
Dave


Hi Dave
I typed in Persevere on the search engine and it came up with a boating forum. Hope you dont mind
I will ask mum for any info she may have as she has got most of granddads old stuff, including his diaries from the 1940s up to the day he died in 1979!!!!
I am going away for a few days on my tub on the broads this coming week so will e-mail you when I get back.
Janet


And I'm sure Ron won't object , but please say hello

Hi David
I will help where I can but the old brain box is not what it was.
Any way best of luck, I will keep my eye on the forum.
Ron.

And I am not alone, the Dutch Barge Association supports Persevere

Hi

congratulations to joining the sailing barge fraternity.
It sounds like you have picked yourself a big project.

My name is Stefan Fritz. I help run SBIG, which is a relatively quite group.
I also run a barge yard, where we also special in sailing barges. My company
is called AC Marine.
We are somewhat far away form the sea based in Staines near Heathrow.
More than happy to have a chat with you when it comes to restoration,
rigging and sourcing fittings.

With regard to the tow I would try Alan Pratt, he might be able to help.

01634-234147
or 07967-665265

He has helped DBA members before and is quite reasonably priced.

Good luck and keep us posted about your progress.

Regards

Stefan

I have had another e mail from a forum member that would like to document the whole thing , starting with the move , the offer is graciously accepted , but please add your offer here . i am also in contact with , would you believe , the BBC , but I haven't given them too many details for fear of a news crew on the bank just to boost ratings.

To all those that have helped with e mails and phone calls , thank you , especially to someone who took time out to scout out possible tugs for me at Eel Pie Island , thanks J
 
Hi Neil
Yes, it seems to have caught the attention of quite a few, and from all over the world judging from e mails. it's almost a BLOG as it stands, but I'm going to have to knock it on the head soon because I'm going to be busy doing the work, and although it hasn't been put on here , I get the impression that some would prefer me to shut up.
We'll have to meet up for a beer soon, it's just timing at the moment. But hopefully , very soon , before the IPC site burps. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
hi have a look at the website its all burmeese teak from (i think the winsor castle)
http://www.trinitymarine.co.uk/displayproduct.phtml?product_id=550&category_id=
The original planks were 5? wide x 4? thick and in different lengths from 8ft to 24ft. 4? thick planks are too thick for re-use so we had the planks sliced to reduce the thickness down to three different sizes.
4 ?? x 1 ??: ?30.00 per square metre.
5? x 1 ??: ?32.00 per square metre.
4 ?? x 1 ??: ?38.00 per square metre.
4 ?? x 2?: ?44.00 per square metre. Small quantity.
Contact us for more details or to arrange a visit to see the teak in our yard.
if you cant get into the site ive copied and pasted the list and costs. i hope its of help.
when you go to your own web site will you please let us know???

mickb
 
Thanks for that i called them today and got some prices and timber sizes . I also got a price for 100x50 Teak PAR It was £32.29 per lin M /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I had a chat with my captain type mate today about having a look at Persevere to see if he thinks shes good to move and im afraid he wanted to keep clear of it . Sorry but at least it was worth a try . The good thing is hes going to find out whats happening to the New Windsor Castle and how much the wood will be .
 
One site duly bookmarked thanks
Bit of a depressing day though, I've had one tug company that say Persevere can be moved without insurance and if she sinks it's my problem, I've had another tug man say chop her up and burn her, so half empty and without vision , some people.
Anyway, thinking cap time please, a solution already mentioned is to get something like a dumb barge, chop the front off at low tide , float her in on a high , then weld the front back on to make a dry dock. I liked the idea, but the space to get her out is very restricted, she already has a squeeze at twenty foot beam,

SO COME ON CHAPS, ALL IDEAS PLEASE (or companies if I have to)
 
From talking to my mate he says if she sinks its your problem anyway , i didnt want to mention that but now you have ......
Have you thought about craning her out and moving her by road ? Although i think a police escort would be involved in that one .
 
Possible a dumb idea, but if the deck structure is sound why not fill her with buoyacy? There are gigantic bladders on the market used for storing bulk liquids (similar material to rubber dinghies but thicker). Insert and inflate as many as needed and, if the deck doesn't rip off, she won't sink.

Bladders & things
 
An excellent idea that got me thinking /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

What about "wrapping" the old girl in canvas.This would really help her by stopping as much water getting in.The big pumps would cope a lot better QED I think!

cheers Joe
 
I have sen all this before a really nice big Baltic Trader a hoarde of men hacking and chopping a surveyor ,steel keelson installed ,money no object....then the surveyor discovered rot in all the transome area,it was just too much and the project abandoned.......its no disgrace to back out you still have not completed your months cooling off period.
 
Saw a maldon smack being towed with the planks sealed with that spray-on expanding foam. That should be good enough to get across Thames estuary on a gentle day. 4 knots and no faster, start early, work the tides to take half ebb up to Crouch and then early flood in. Cash money to someone with a large fishing boat would be my thinking.

You will get so many conflicting views that in the end you have to make the best judgement YOU can , prepare meticulously, try and think of all eventualities, have plenty of spare everything - ropes, clothes, hot flasks, two anchors, two boats to tow/escort - then go for it and keep going, no matter what, till she's moored in North fambridge where you want. Put a diesel site water pump in her bilge to pump out any seepage on the journey. All the hire shops do them.
If it was me that's what I'd do.
I,m currently restoring a wooden yacht built in 1964 but not at as magnicent as Persevere.
 
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Anyway, thinking cap time please, a solution already mentioned is to get something like a dumb barge, chop the front off at low tide , float her in on a high , then weld the front back on to make a dry dock. I liked the idea, but the space to get her out is very restricted, she already has a squeeze at twenty foot beam,

SO COME ON CHAPS, ALL IDEAS PLEASE (or companies if I have to)

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I remember seeing a prog on the telly a couple of years ago (called 'Salvage Squad') when the team helped with the restoration of a Thames sailing barge. A company somewhere in the Essex region has a floating dock made out of an old cargo ship. Bow and stern are cut off to just above the waterline leaving the sides to act as guides/access. At low water, valves are opened to allow the hull to flood so it stays sitting on the bottom as the tide rises. At HW the barge is floated in. As the tide goes out the dock settles on the bottom and the water drains out. The valves are then shut and the whole caboodle then floats as normal.
If you ask around 'barge people' like James Lawrence the sailmaker they would know the outfit I'm referring to. It could be that if the dock is not fully employed it could be used to lift and transport Persevere to your preferred location. HTH.
 
So far the best solution is probably the most workeable and expensive, but it proves that the thinking heads of the forum can come up with some pretty damn good ideas , anymore thoughts , stick them on here , craning-would crush her timbers , bladders- possible , pontoon-don't think Medway Ports would allow it , And they are the big problem, if she sank in the Swale, I'd be so popular, but the salvage boat and a couple of other gooduns here , any more ?
 
Strikes me you can achieve anything if you throw enough money at it, but what I would do is employ the K.I.S.S principle here. Obviously not seeing the condition of the hull you'll have to make up your own mind as to how feasable ideas are.

If it were me, and thank god its not, I'd combine a couple of ideas. Pumps would be one as your never going to stop water getting in. Extra floatation is another. Thats the expensive bit. Would it be possible to look around for a supplier of the big 50 gal plastic drums. Got to be cheaper than getting expensive airbags made, plus you have to get even more equip to inflate them. Don't ask me to blow'em up I'm a smoker!

Fasten thesedrums along each side of the boat with straps running under the keel from side to side. Crux is finding a supplier at the right price tho...
Obviously they wont keep her afloat by themselves bit aid the pumps in keeping the water line somewhere near its rightful place.
 
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