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[yusuf_1977]

Hi to Everyone,

I had 2 sailboats before and they were all standard production which was First 24 and Gofi 21.

Now i am looking for a bigger boat and found this boat on the listings. which is 8,5m long. Travelled to see to marina with my family and we all liked and fell in love with the boat which was produced in Turkey Antalya and with the plans purchased from EU at that time 1999.

The problem is i have been told by brokers not to prefer boats which are not standard production ,because it will be difficult to sell when needed. But the owner has no idea about the plan name and details as its the second owner.

If anyone recognise the plan name that will be very helpful to check my last point of decision. The boat is dry and looks solid but need to see the plan.

The boat is fiberglass built 8,5 m x 3,05 m

Thank you,

 

[KompetentKrew]

Might you guess it's a woodcore epoxy construction?

It looks as tidy as any boat built by a Dutch jachtwerf - you might look through pictures of all Van De Stadt's 8.5m designs and see if any of them match up.

The design of the boat doesn't matter - you can see it's fine. What's important is condition / maintenance / hidden flaws.

I notice the mast is wood, which seems unusual.

If the hull is wood then I would pass. If the hull is woodcore epoxy them that's fine because it's the epoxy GRP that gives the boat its strength - a light wood should be used, on my boat I believe it's red cedar, and this core only acts as shaper for the GRP is laid over. Epoxy composite is stronger than the polyester GRP that factory-build boats are made from.

Try and find all the small yards in Turkey that build small boats, send them these pics and ask them if Boşver could be one of theirs. It looks very professionally built.

 

[yusuf_1977]

Thank you for your reply, the boat is fiberglass completely . It's not a woodcore epoxy. The mast is wood 11,5m ,the engine is Yanmar 3gm30f and interior is awesome made by a special yard which produces Gulets .
But again if I can reach the project or plan name I will be very confident about the boat. The owner sailed almost all the Mediterranean coast of Turkey with it he said.

 

[Refueler]

What is problem, ? If boat is good condition ... price is agreeable for you ... then what stops you ?

Of course people like Brand Names ... but that does not stop good boats of unknown name ...

I've just bought a boat 11.4m that I had never heard of before .... yes I could google it and got some info - but only limited info. Boat was good ... price was right .... I'm happy.

 

[KompetentKrew]

Thank you for your reply, the boat is fiberglass completely . It's not a woodcore epoxy.

This seems unlikely for a glassfibre boat which is "not standard production". Surely this implies that the yard had a mould for the hull, which makes it a production boat?

More recently foamcore is substituted for cedar etc, BTW, but it is the same principle.

Lift the cockpit lockers - I bet the lids are plywood. You can feel the difference, a thick flat lid, as opposed to the moulded / shaped lid of a production boat (polyester GRP).

I suggest you start by establishing whether it's epoxy or polyester GRP.

I might say this distinction is not so widely understood in the English speaking world, whereas Dutch boat listings always list epoxy or polyester.

You can see from the teak around the cockpit - the seats and where the winches and traveller are mounted - that this is a good quality build. You do not need to worry about the designer.

 

[Refueler]

This seems unlikely for a glassfibre boat which is "not standard production". Surely this implies that the yard had a mould for the hull, which makes it a production boat?

More recently foamcore is substituted for cedar etc, BTW, but it is the same principle.

Lift the cockpit lockers - I bet the lids are plywood. You can feel the difference, a thick flat lid, as opposed to the moulded / shaped lid of a production boat (polyester GRP).

I suggest you start by establishing whether it's epoxy or polyester GRP.

I might say this distinction is not so widely understood in the English speaking world, whereas Dutch boat listings always list epoxy or polyester.

You can see from the teak around the cockpit - the seats and where the winches and traveller are mounted - that this is a good quality build. You do not need to worry about the designer.

It was not unusual for a boat to be produced from a mould and then literally very few after that. I know two builders that have moulds and have done just that. You can find a number of moulds that are basically put at back of yards and unused after the first one or two prototypes. One particular builder I know - obtained a mould that had been produced for a Race Class design - one boat built ... shown and sailed, But then mould put aside. It was then acquired by builder I know - we discussed viability as it was a 26ft - generally builders find such size expensive per ft to build and then lack of buyers. He then produced 5 boats ... sold 4 ... 5th sat unsold for ages.

 

[yusuf_1977]

The difference of this boat is that was made for order for a couple who wanted to sail until their 70s so every detail was planned carefully by them. I have offered at Target price if he confirms I decided to buy it that's because the family liked it.