ari
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Tender inside the boat taking up what could be cabin space, or on the bathing platform out of the way and dead easy to deploy?
Not a hard decision, I'll keep the inside for people rather than boats, thanks.
Princess X80. Have they just won motor boats?
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Tender inside the boat taking up what could be cabin space, or on the bathing platform out of the way and dead easy to deploy?
Not a hard decision, I'll keep the inside for people rather than boats, thanks.
ari
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Porto why do you think that everything the Italians produce is the best thing in the world? Being Italian I can fully confirm their styling is terrible, their sense of taste is terrible for decoration etc and their workmanship is shoddy. How have you got so far removed from reality? Next thing you'll be telling us that sports fishers are a great idea/design
I do occasionally wonder whether it's actually a parody account.
henryf
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@Portofino just because you type something and see it on a Screen doesn't make it true. I’ve seen a Porsche Macan, it’s a smaller Cayenne I think which if memory serves is their SUV thing. A sort of Porsche Range Rover / Evoque comparison.
You keep skipping between boats cherry picking individual features then telling everyone how it’s better than the X80, but they all fail massively in other areas. Give me one single 80 foot boat with the same internal real estate that proves your point.
As for your Skoda comparison we must be looking through very different eyes. All your stuff seems to have simplistic square edges which are relatively cheap and easy to produce inside. They may well raid the Besenzoni catalogue but bolting on stuff doesn’t make it good per-se. Again, it’s too easy. Curved timber work and creative use of space with everything leading seamlessly on to the next area. That’s clever design. Everything you’ve linked to thus far does one thing really well (usually outside deck space) but only that one thing.
The hidden tender lifted out of a hold at 1:21 in your video for instance, it was tiny and you had to assemble the outboard motor every time. It simply wouldn’t get used.
I tell you who you remind me of Porto, the Dad character from the the film “My big fat Greek Wedding”
You keep skipping between boats cherry picking individual features then telling everyone how it’s better than the X80, but they all fail massively in other areas. Give me one single 80 foot boat with the same internal real estate that proves your point.
As for your Skoda comparison we must be looking through very different eyes. All your stuff seems to have simplistic square edges which are relatively cheap and easy to produce inside. They may well raid the Besenzoni catalogue but bolting on stuff doesn’t make it good per-se. Again, it’s too easy. Curved timber work and creative use of space with everything leading seamlessly on to the next area. That’s clever design. Everything you’ve linked to thus far does one thing really well (usually outside deck space) but only that one thing.
The hidden tender lifted out of a hold at 1:21 in your video for instance, it was tiny and you had to assemble the outboard motor every time. It simply wouldn’t get used.
I tell you who you remind me of Porto, the Dad character from the the film “My big fat Greek Wedding”
TonyR123
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I also tend to prioritise outdoor space over indoor for the med. Outside space is more important than inside space for us, except the kitchen which has to have enough cupboards. Fridge space also being highly important. I tend to go to Mallorca from April to October and don't tend to go in the winter just to do something different elsewhere. Generally not bothered by Lounge space too much, even less about a table inside to eat. Am even thinking I may move from a flybridge boat to a day boat (well day boatish), with the superhawk 55 a possibility. At that speed could do Mallorca to Ibiza (and back) in a day.
As for the boats over 70 feet, San Lorenzo is def my preference over Sunseeker and Princess. Although they do cost more as well. The San Lorenzo in Southampton was superbly finished. Although I do get why people would buy the X80, if I could afford one I doubt I would buy one.
As for cars, my new fav is the Porsche 991.2 GT3 - great fun to drive. Even prefer it to the latest 992 GT3. Missus hates it though.
As for the boats over 70 feet, San Lorenzo is def my preference over Sunseeker and Princess. Although they do cost more as well. The San Lorenzo in Southampton was superbly finished. Although I do get why people would buy the X80, if I could afford one I doubt I would buy one.
As for cars, my new fav is the Porsche 991.2 GT3 - great fun to drive. Even prefer it to the latest 992 GT3. Missus hates it though.
petem
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Exactly.
I like that S/S Superhawk 55 a lot. Maybe a little too grey inside, might be fixable.
Would make a great villa dayboat, which reminds me of the Portals in the early 2000's. There was something like 20 Targa 43's in that marina alone.
TonyR123
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That is where we might be going "villa / dayboat". Wife thinking ahead for grand children, which means she thinks we need to keep the apartment/upgrade so they can stay in there. Was looking at 65/70ft flybridge due to everyone holidaying at the same time, but that is looking likely to change as all kids have jobs now. Bigger the boat then it reduces anchoring opportunities. If I stay 55 foot (or less) can stay on the same mooring as well. Maybe Fairline do a "F line 55" by then for more options in the sector.
PowerYachtBlog
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I like his videos too. But too much lip service sometimes is too much IMO. He can take a few ideas from Bulleri and Capt. Steve, how to be complimentary and a bit of a critic all again IMO.
Porto why do you think that everything the Italians produce is the best thing in the world? Being Italian I can fully confirm their styling is terrible, their sense of taste is terrible for decoration etc and their workmanship is shoddy. How have you got so far removed from reality? Next thing you'll be telling us that sports fishers are a great idea/design
You cannot be Italian, Even if your DNA says you are to the full. An Italian will never have a Sealine S28, and owning one you should not even comment on style
Depends on what workmanship and style. It is a pity everyone copies them as we are in deep shit in design (not only boating) since some decades, may be since century.
Sure someone (Italian or not) will break the rules, but that is needed in design to move forward whether we like it or not.
Look at the widebody. Americans started it in the seventies (might have been Hatteras with one of its MY). Conam makes an evolution of it in late eighties with the 48 Chorum.
Conam keeps evoling with the 54 which then becomes a 60. And presents a 75. Fast forward to 2019 and Prestige launches the X70.
When I first saw the Conam 48 in an Italian boating mag (I was young and stupid) I actually loved it. t looked coming from the future, and it was.
But it was a one night stand, and then after sometime I started seeing it weird, without taking away its great features.
As for the comment on Sportfisher, they are practical if you do Sport Fishing, and the seaworthiness and engineering of those things puts a lot of boats to shame.
An Itama or a Magnum can compete or beat a Sportfisher in rough seas and be as fast and comfortable for example.
Sportfish is a slowly evolving World, but it has its evolutions, and it moves at a slow pace.
Viking - Hatteras - Bertram to stay on the commercial brands without going on the custom ones are beautiful machines and the over engineering they have puts everything behind.
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julians
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Have you looked at a Fjord 53? The whole fjord range is very popular in majorca as I'm sure you have noticed.
Fjord 53 XL | Fjord Boats UK
hinch
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You cannot be Italian, Even if your DNA says you are to the full. An Italian will never have a Sealine S28, and owning one you should not even comment on style
Depends on what workmanship and style. It is a pity everyone copies them as we are in deep shit in design (not only boating) since some decades, may be since century.
nothing wrong with an S28 for a first boat
I am a big fan of the Axopar's though if only they did a diesel outboard version (not a hacked together version from Germany) and I do love the look of the SS Superhawk 55 can't wait to see one in the flesh later.
Portofino
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Pity some folks are unable to look at issues in the abstract form and take criticism of the topic personally .
The classic tell is when they start going for the man not the ball .
Ari / Hinch as well with the “ why do you think ……”
Who cares what I think is it that important ?
Do PY do side doors have they graduated to that level yet ? ….serious Q btw . It’s a discrete marker like a 90 s sharks fin .
Without a clever tender garage / storage system it will chew you up deep down.
Paddle boards as well remember .
Tony R123 has put his views fwd without going for the man any man , he’s just played the ball .See can be done .
.Let’s keep it on topic the x80 .
hinch
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Pity some folks are unable to look at issues in the abstract form and take criticism of the topic personally .
The classic tell is when they start going for the man not the ball .
Ari / Hinch as well with the “ why do you think ……”
Who cares what I think is it that important ?
Do PY do side doors have they graduated to that level yet ? ….serious Q btw . It’s a discrete marker like a 90 s sharks fin .
Without a clever tender garage / storage system it will chew you up deep down.
Paddle boards as well remember .
Tony R123 has put his views fwd without going for the man any man , he’s just played the ball .See can be done .
Let’s keep it on topic the x80 .
I honestly can't be arsed to go view for view with you as you just spout the same old tripe about how everything Italian is better without actually validating it or giving sensible reasons why above "it just is" its like listening to an Anti-vaxxer who desperately wants you to believe their opinion even though its wrong.
petem
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Why do you want a diesel outboard? What's wrong with petrol?nothing wrong with an S28 for a first boat
hinch
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Where i'm based no marina has petrol available for better part of 150+ miles so i'd have to hand ball containers down the ramp to the boat its 0.8 miles from carpark to boat at current marina on a 400 litre tank for example at most carrying 50l at once thats 8 round trips just to fill the boat once.... while possible its logistically impractical.
Hurricane
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Who is this Porofino guy you are all talking about. I can't see him. I wonder why.
Portofino
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Wise .
We we’re there about a decade ago move onwards and upwards ….loadsa free invites to shows etc and test drives etc .
In the end kids fledged the nest uni etc and we bought additional property on Cap d Antibes .Never regretted it .
As you know just jiggled the day boat to something bit more useable and capable of large med island hopping in bit more comfort .We did do Corsica in the Porto 35 mind twice and Elba .But as you get older you get more risk averse and comfort plays a bigger part .The hosting guests self corrects as they use hotels and we day boat them .Yes I did once yearn for extra bedrooms like everyone else but that self corrects when the adult kids basically stop holidaying with mum and dad .
Then the seasonal bit .Once ones Med boated in the busy ( warm water ) months it’s hard to do it out of season .
Rain and as PeteM infers the ghost town experience of shut up shops / bars / restaurants etc .
Ideally I am warming to hangering the boat in the off season putting it inside .A lot do esp in Italy .
Of course money parked in bricks n mortar ….well you know the rest .
A day boaty thing that can cover distance quickly like the Pred 55 and the tub I have means it’s actually easier to use in the sense you eat out a lot so no big pressure to super plan ahead .In terms of provisioning , berths or Infact places .You just set off and 100 miles are covered in less than 3 hrs …..sort the domestics out on arrival .
Not sure returning to the X 80 or any 5 cabin tub I would want the responsibility to feed / entertain/ launder / 10 peeps .
Its not just that but think about it which extra 8 ( 4 couples ) of friends do you want to live close together on a boat ?
Is it not better to host them in smaller doses or at least they have there own shore based hotel space ??
Or pick up a Genoa airport and drop off at Pisa , Roma , Naples as opposed to you and the other 8 are stuck with each other for a week .
Just putting it out there .The marketing machines we all get caught up with make out bigger , more cabins etc are better .
Talking from a boating perspective.
Sun sea and sand we all share equally no matter what size the boat is .
0,02 p worth .
henryf
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@Portofino You’ve typed hundreds of words and not answered my question.
You have however finally eluded to the fact that an X80 or anything remotely similar doesn’t interest you because you only want a day boat. This may explain why you keep linking to massive day boats.
That’s great, really pleased to hear that you’ve identified your particular boating needs but please don’t try and force your desires on everyone else. This isn’t a thread for you, it’s for people who want loads of wonderful interior space.
You have however finally eluded to the fact that an X80 or anything remotely similar doesn’t interest you because you only want a day boat. This may explain why you keep linking to massive day boats.
That’s great, really pleased to hear that you’ve identified your particular boating needs but please don’t try and force your desires on everyone else. This isn’t a thread for you, it’s for people who want loads of wonderful interior space.
henryf
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I’ve just discovered an “ignore” button and pressed it. Let’s see what happens…..
Portofino
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Just skimmed the thread you have not actually commented on the boat in Q or anything about the gen topic .
PYB has actually the one who’s posts fit most your description.Indeed I do not think I said “ Italian is better “
They do make something like 80-90 % of SY s fwiw and have a lot more than 3 mobo yards many Italian churning out over 100 ftrs .Also not just in plastic .In case it flew over your head the Pershing 140 is alloy .Ferretti group have migrated into other materials than plastic .
They have all the supporting infrastructure.
Show me a Passerelle maker in Plymouth ?
Irony of the PY x80 being designed in collaboration with Pininfarina is delicious ?.
Leisure boat manufacturing is a global market and the Italians occupy a disproportionate amount of that capacity.
I have regularly frequented SiBS , Cannes , Monaco ( guest invite ) and Genoa .
Been on a few seen a few fwiw .
TonyR123
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like all threads they go off topic! Back to the X80. I can see why people might like it and as this thread has shown we all want different things from boating. I kind of want to like the X80 due to being different, as I also wanted to like the Prestige x70. But ultimately I don't really like either. x80 being enclosed on the fly is a def no no for the med. Although I guess at this size then most people have crew so you then dont care and the space comes into play.
petem
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If you want to see some other wide body yachts then have a look at the Wally WHY200 (WALLY WHY200 yacht (Wally, 27.03m, 2021) (boatinternational.com) ) and the Ferretti 1000 (Ferretti Yachts 1000 New - Ferretti Yachts (ferretti-yachts.com) ). We're probable more into Y95 territory though.