Princess X80. Have they just won motor boats?

Chris H said:
I think what this thread has made clear is we all have boats for different reasons, what suits one individual will not suit another, Henry, it seems like you need a boat with plenty of space to entertain paying guest’s and get out of the cold if needed, for me in the med, I want open outside space and will only entertain 2/4 friends at a time and am happy with just me and Mrs H cruising and finding new places to drop and stay on anchor.

I suppose with all the car comparisons……….it’s like taking a Rolls Royce on a lads driving holiday, it will do the job you want but it would be more fun in a Ferrari.
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To be fair the X80 wouldn’t be used for paying guests, it would be my dream boat for private use in Thailand. Sadly a few quid short of the asking price currently !

The F55 is going to be used for paying guests when it arrives.

You are absolutely right though in saying different people want different things from their boats, even in the same cruising grounds. There are some generalisations to be made but ultimately what works for one may not work for another. I can’t think why someone would want to take a Ferrari on a lads trip when Porsche make such splendid cars….. :)
 
henryf said:
To be fair the X80 wouldn’t be used for paying guests, it would be my dream boat for private use in Thailand. Sadly a few quid short of the asking price currently !

The F55 is going to be used for paying guests when it arrives.

You are absolutely right though in saying different people want different things from their boats, even in the same cruising grounds. There are some generalisations to be made but ultimately what works for one may not work for another. I can’t think why someone would want to take a Ferrari on a lads trip when Porsche make such splendid cars….. :)
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We were told on our trip to Thailand , private boats are not allowed to cruise the area, only government registered day trip charter boats.
 
Chris I think that sums it up perfectly. Henry boats in the UK so his requirements are different from a boat in the Med.
Boating would be dull if we all had exactly the same design from the same jelly mold .
 
Chris H said:
We were told on our trip to Thailand , private boats are not allowed to cruise the area, only government registered day trip charter boats.
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That is most definitely not the case. There are lots of private boats although still tiny numbers when compared to traditional cruising grounds. The Thai government made tax concessions some years ago to encourage boat registration and ownership. From memory Thai VAT is charged at around 7% on new / imported boats. Some owners choose to register them in Langkawi returning every so often to comply with maximum stay in Thai waters laws.

Rental boats are different. I believe I’m correct in saying they must be Thai registered and employ a Thai skipper Although recently changes have been made to encourage foreign luxury charter boats. During the Covid crisis foreign boats and their crews are able to quarantine in Thai waters before entering the country.

There are currently laws being passed which will see the creation of long term visas for wealthy foreigners. It may be that registering a boat in Thailand fulfils the investment criteria for said visa.

I see the luxury boating market as being a growth sector in Thailand’s tourism strategy.
 
henryf said:
I can’t think why someone would want to take a Ferrari on a lads trip when Porsche make such splendid cars….. :)
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BIG Thread Drift.

The best of Porsche is like the worst of Ferrari more or less. The only thing I prefer the former not the later is the blink.
Ferrari as much as a Lambo is a too much a noticeable look at me machine. Not that I can afford any of these....
 
henryf said:
I can’t think why someone would want to take a Ferrari on a lads trip when Porsche make such splendid cars….. :)
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BIG Thread Drift 2

I dunno - the V12 on the 812 superfast is one fantastic engine. As good as the 4.0 GT3 engine is, the 812 sounds even better (I am a GT3 owner). Admittedly the 812 is twice the price. I do quite fancy adding a Ferrari to the garage, just so I can say I have owned one in my life!
 
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Had 3 F cars still have a classic .Been through the porker range on euro trips before promotion to F cars .
Yes a 12 cylinder tops anything mine was mid engined version back in the day .
Pork just can’t handle as well as F cars .
But we are ending up where we started with beauty and Italian design with a sprinkle of Pininfarina. Pininfarina this time sticking to the day job = cars :)

Bit like docking a x80 next to say that SL 88 FB or the Arcadia . You gotta love the external appearance .Well thats where I start .

When you park a F car next to pork the pork becomes invisible to the public .

Pork struggles on hairpins on alpine passes fwiw .It’s the laws of physics with 911s
 
Just sat through the Aquaholic review of the X 80. Clearly has some fantastic internal and external space. Would work well as a charter boat for 2 families that don’t get on. They would never have to meet. Would still need to be blindfolded on the approach to the boat. That ugly stick must be nearly worn out?
 
Portofino - While I may agree with you on attention and beauty. Can’t agree on hairpins. Modern 911s (997+) longer wheelbase so not snappy and you have to trail brake to get the most grip. GT3 is unbelievable in grip. Handling best I have driven (so far) but needs to be driven differently to every(?) other car imho.
 
TonyR123 said:
Portofino - While I may agree with you on attention and beauty. Can’t agree on hairpins. Modern 911s (997+) longer wheelbase so not snappy and you have to trail brake to get the most grip. GT3 is unbelievable in grip. Handling best I have driven (so far) but needs to be driven differently to every(?) other car imho.
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Agree I have a mate with one and he sometimes when we do a circuit of the passes he lets me have a go .
Its too much weight at the back and getting the braking right on the approach.Remember with many you can’t see round .
There is tendency ( self preservation ) to over kill the slow in , enter too slow .By that time the guy in fronts away …opening up bumper distance .Sure when you pass the apex and see him on the straight haring up the road to the next bend or down if on a decent , you can catch him glue yourself back on his bumper , then at the next corner he’s gone again .
The fronts start to squeal if you push too hard going up hill as they are light the weights too far back .Speed is scrubbed as you drift over the centre of the road .Yes modern ones not talking 80 s VW torsion sprung air cooled .
With the 4 WD ones the “ 4 s ‘s “ same thing but slightly worse as you press the peddle the front inside scrabbles for grip and the dash lights up like a xmas tree .ASR or P eq light.While all this is happening as said the F cars pulling bumper air its off .
So you dammed if you enter too slow and dammed if you press it .Guess that’s the appeal finding that balance .But 30/40 hairpins at once with no rehearsals and a 6 hr euro day doing the passes .

Public roads blind hairpins and steep drops if you get it wrong - it’s fatal remember .

But you are probably right in the right hands with full concentration a GT 3 might cling to a mid engined equivalent F car .
Any 1/2 handy driver can go fast in a f car and they tell you run a bit wide if you over cook it .You either lift off and they tuck in or they drift into a predictable 4 wheel slide you control on the throttle / steering .Easy to drive and flatter the driver .


Don’ t do circuits any more fed up going home on the canvas and trying to hide the forth coming tyre bill from Mrs Porto .Would have thought a GT 3 would make an ideal track car .Wide tarmac and repetitive turns .In fact it does .
On a euro trip around the alps Hmm !
The roads are just too bumpy on most passes constant movement etc .
Maybe just a cooking C2 or the modern equivalent. Or a hot cayman / 918 for the balance ?

My 0.02 p worth .
 
Portofino said:
Agree I have a mate with one and he sometimes when we do a circuit of the passes he lets me have a go .
Its too much weight at the back and getting the braking right on the approach.Remember with many you can’t see round .
There is tendency ( self preservation ) to over kill the slow in , enter too slow .By that time the guy in fronts away …opening up bumper distance .Sure when you pass the apex and see him on the straight haring up the road to the next bend or down if on a decent , you can catch him glue yourself back on his bumper , then at the next corner he’s gone again .
The fronts start to squeal if you push too hard going up hill as they are light the weights too far back .Speed is scrubbed as you drift over the centre of the road .Yes modern ones not talking 80 s VW torsion sprung air cooled .
With the 4 WD ones the “ 4 s ‘s “ same thing but slightly worse as you press the peddle the front inside scrabbles for grip and the dash lights up like a xmas tree .ASR or P eq light.While all this is happening as said the F cars pulling bumper air its off .
So you dammed if you enter too slow and dammed if you press it .Guess that’s the appeal finding that balance .But 30/40 hairpins at once with no rehearsals and a 6 hr euro day doing the passes .

Public roads blind hairpins and steep drops if you get it wrong - it’s fatal remember .

But you are probably right in the right hands with full concentration a GT 3 might cling to a mid engined equivalent F car .
Any 1/2 handy driver can go fast in a f car and they tell you run a bit wide if you over cook it .You either lift off and they tuck in or they drift into a predictable 4 wheel slide you control on the throttle / steering .Easy to drive and flatter the driver .


Don’ t do circuits any more fed up going home on the canvas and trying to hide the forth coming tyre bill from Mrs Porto .Would have thought a GT 3 would make an ideal track car .Wide tarmac and repetitive turns .In fact it does .
On a euro trip around the alps Hmm !
The roads are just too bumpy on most passes constant movement etc .
Maybe just a cooking C2 or the modern equivalent. Or a hot cayman / 918 for the balance ?

My 0.02 p worth .
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You read too many magazines Porto………your description is of a badly set up early 70’s 911, on the road you would never get traction control flashing and C4’s never scrabble for grip on the inside front…….all this is really imiterial , as the driver makes the biggest difference.
 
Chris H said:
You read too many magazines Porto………your description is of a badly set up early 70’s 911, on the road you would never get traction control flashing and C4’s never scrabble for grip on the inside front…….all this is really imiterial , as the driver makes the biggest difference.
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Gave up car mags+ tinternet eq years ago mate .

Talking steep Alpine hair pins - damp full lock in 2 nd and mashing for the scrabble .
Front wheel squealing easy to do as it runs wide .Not sure can get that on U.K. roads probably? Thought we were on euro boys trip .
Seemed I incorrectly assumed the boys would do some passes .
B roads too tight for HGV s
Are you wearing a U.K. road hat ? I was referring to Alpine passes on a euro boys .
Of course the EU is big and plenty of sweepy long A roads about .
Traction control light flashing is 2010 onwards modals .

Also too stiff suspension on bumpy bends ruins any car .
I have had C4 s ‘s fronts squealing and scrabbling on bumpy up hill hairpins .
A GT 3 is far tooooo track focused for this it will bounce round corners as it hits bumps and pot in real alpine B roads .
 
Portofino said:
Gave up car mags+ tinternet eq years ago mate .

Talking steep Alpine hair pins - damp full lock in 2 nd and mashing for the scrabble .
Front wheel squealing easy to do as it runs wide .Not sure can get that on U.K. roads probably? Thought we were on euro boys trip .
Seemed I incorrectly assumed the boys would do some passes .
B roads too tight for HGV s
Are you wearing a U.K. road hat ? I was referring to Alpine passes on a euro boys .
Of course the EU is big and plenty of sweepy long A roads about .
Traction control light flashing is 2010 onwards modals .

Also too stiff suspension on bumpy bends ruins any car .
I have had C4 s ‘s fronts squealing and scrabbling on bumpy up hill hairpins .
A GT 3 is far tooooo track focused for this it will bounce round corners as it hits bumps and pot in real alpine B roads .
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Yes, I’m talking the same……done every Alpine pass, in just about every Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini model over the last 23 years, my favourites are the Glossglockner and colle Della Bonettee.

we are going way off thread here…I’ll post a new one !
 
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