Princess V39

lisilou

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Managed to finally get to LiBS today and had a great time with some lovely friends. Most of our time was spent flitting between the Princess and Fairline stands along with another quick perusal of the Sealine s450 which is always in the back of our minds.
Now that the Fairlines have gone for the more 'straight lines' interior, it's fast becoming a bit of a favourite with me and the same with Princess. Took a look round the Targa 48 open and the GT's but the helm positions are all wrong for me tbh. I don't get the logic of having the helm seat to the left of the passenger helm seat at all. It just means the helmsman has to move to let the passenger get out of their seat. Whether it would be a deal breaker, I'm not sure but it certainly puts it way down the list for sure.
The Squady 42 however, ticks all the boxes in the respect of both helm position/s and interior design. If we were to consider a fly, this one would certainly be at the top of the list.
Then I took another look at the V39 (saw it at the Swanwick show last year) and I have to say I'd love to have one. It's just perfect for us in every way EXCEPT (and rather importantly dontcha think?) the windscreen is just too shallow, putting the top frame right in your eyeline when sitting which means, when the weather is less than favourable and you have the roof closed, you have to bend down quite significantly (I'm 5'7) just to see where you're going. Even with the roof open, I had to tip toe just to get a half decent view thru the open roof and then it was a struggle. From memory, there's no drop down board to stand on to peer thru the roof so this is a massive let down as far as I'm concerned because, as I've said, this boat was just perfect for us in every other way.
I don't get why the screen has to be so shallow, I really don't. It has to be purely aesthetic which, imo, is madness. To compromise visibility for a certain 'look'?...surely a bad move? Adding another 4 inches to the screens depth wouldn't make much of a difference aesthetically surely but it WOULD make helming so much more relaxing and less of a back breaker...wouldn't it?
That all said, I've not sea trialled one so I could be being negative for no good reason. Are there any owners who can say the forward vis is perfect for them? (especially with the roof closed?)
I'd love to be proved wrong coz I really like it.
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I couldn't agree more about the windscreen, it's a real shame as otherwise IMO it's an amazing boat.

The other thing I think about the V39 is that, although I love it, it's not a big enough step up in terms of space (for us any way) to warrant a move from an SC35.

The S450 on the other hand really makes me think hard about an upgrade every time I step foot on one as it feels such a massive step up..... That said I do love the premium feel of the Princess.

Any way, sorry for the ramble!
 
In the case of the V 39 Lisa I'd say that once your up on the plane the change in angle of the boat will give a better view through the screen, you will then be looking under the top frame not at it , which is what your saying when the boat is stationary . A case of try before you buy.

I'd agree the sq 42 is a very nice boat, did you look at the new Princess 43? I've read the report, these boats seem to be getting bigger, heavier and slower at 28knots virtually empty with a c lean hull and new. By the time the weed has grown, all the gear is stored and rib on the back its going to turn into a gas guzzling hard working boat, the sq 42 is like this with the 370 hp D6 engines, which takes me back to boats I'm looking for like the phantom 43 with two proper 480 hp engines in. I can't understand why builders are powering these new boats at this level, I guess its down to build costs and what the customer wants.

My view on a hard top sports boat is that it must be useable with the roof closed and Safe visibility, its no good having to stick your head out the roof when its rough with spray or raining and windy, maybe these boats are for the 5ft 6 inch and under.
 
The S450 is very hard to beat as far as the cockpit size and versatility is concerned imo but for the first time ever today, I felt it was beginning to feel a bit dated in comparison to the Fairlines and Princess. Maybe the Germans will do something dynamic without changing the price tag too much. I hope so as I feel it needs something now. Still can't beat the visibility of the 450, that's for sure.
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Yep, Paul is spot on about the trim angle - you've got to imagine the boat 5 degrees up when it's on the plane.

Standing heights with the roof open is extremely easy to solve, just get a box or platform made, very easy to do, and you wouldn't be the first. Peter Harwood from Princess is the master at identifying solutions for this sort of thing, and in fact he was working on the stand at the show. If everything else about the V39 made it the right boat for you (and I completely agree that they are very lovely) then I'd arrange a sea trial _and_ have a pre-purchase discussion with Peter about options to improve your sightlines.
 
Hi Lisa - Paul - The new Princess 43 will also have 500hp engines fitted as an option so will easily do 30 + knots when fully loaded :encouragement:

Lisa a V39 owner has his boat moored @ Swanwick which I was informed off @ LIbs yesterday - ask the owner to take you for a quick blast ...
 
You're right Paul...I definitely need to experience the vis under way for sure to be-able to be objective and fair but I also like to 'pootle' as much as plane so in that respect, the vis is gonna be a pain for me at least.
I absolutely loved the Squaddy 42 but it would have to be a 2/3 year old to fall anywhere near our price range. Interesting what you say about under powered engines...someone else mentioned that to me today too.
Haven't looked at the 43, no. Just the V39 today.
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You all type too fast for me lol.
Jimmy, I agree re customising the helm height and I've just read they do an optional kick board for standing on.
Terry, I might just take a wander to find the owner and have a chat at least (as long as he's not a pigme! lol)
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Lisilou

funny that you mention the position of the helm position - I have the S450 and always feel they should have placed it to the left of the second seat. I find myself helming from the passenger seat as the view is much less restricted to the starboard side by the windscreen mullion. I agree a tiny pain if you have a helming companion that can't sit still but I'd rather have the better visibility.
 
You all type too fast for me lol.
Jimmy, I agree re customising the helm height and I've just read they do an optional kick board for standing on.
Terry, I might just take a wander to find the owner and have a chat at least (as long as he's not a pigme! lol)
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Lisa - John Tipton @ PMYS will point you in the right direction if you get lost :D
 
Hi Jimmy they are Cummins - btw I was referring to the P43 not the V39 and you are spot on with the IPS variants for the V39 :encouragement:

That is v interesting that they should be offering Cummins now as well as the Volvo's, that's quite a change.

I forgot the P43 wasn't IPS - but I didn't think the V39 was either, I thought it was outdrives. Happy to be corrected.
 
Lisilou

funny that you mention the position of the helm position - I have the S450 and always feel they should have placed it to the left of the second seat. I find myself helming from the passenger seat as the view is much less restricted to the starboard side by the windscreen mullion. I agree a tiny pain if you have a helming companion that can't sit still but I'd rather have the better visibility.

That's interesting NGM...thanks. It's great to get different peoples/owners perspectives on your own preferences and bug bears.
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Lisilou

funny that you mention the position of the helm position - I have the S450 and always feel they should have placed it to the left of the second seat. I find myself helming from the passenger seat as the view is much less restricted to the starboard side by the windscreen mullion. I agree a tiny pain if you have a helming companion that can't sit still but I'd rather have the better visibility.

The other advantage of not helming from the outboard seat is that it stops you from banging your head on the side rail when (a) you're hooning about (b) doing a Dave Marsh-esque full lock flat out turn and (c) you hit a wave beam on. Ask me why I know this... :D
 
That is v interesting that they should be offering Cummins now as well as the Volvo's, that's quite a change.

I forgot the P43 wasn't IPS - but I didn't think the V39 was either, I thought it was outdrives. Happy to be corrected.

Well they supply cats to the us market so why not in the uk Henry has these installed on his P50 btw and he is well pleased with them - I think the cummins has a small footprint that is why they are looking to also offer these as an option - Oops just checked on the web and the V39 has Twin Volvo D6-330 DP (2 x 330mhp) Speed range: 37-39 knots †
So maybe not IPS {V48 has IPS that I am sure off :encouragement:- anyway apologies as I am cream crackererd as been working non stop recently - so night night all
 
Well they supply cats to the us market so why not in the uk Henry has these installed on his P50 btw and he is well pleased with them - I think the cummins has a small footprint that is why they are looking to also offer these as an option - Oops just checked on the web and the V39 has Twin Volvo D6-330 DP (2 x 330mhp) Speed range: 37-39 knots †
So maybe not IPS {V48 has IPS that I am sure off :encouragement:- anyway apologies as I am cream crackererd as been working non stop recently - so night night all

Yep, Caterpillar have long been available on the bigger stuff, and then MTU's etc on even more biggerer stuff. You're right about the IPS on the V48 (and Targa 48, and SS San Remo).

Sleep well! :D
 
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