Price of copper coat.

[pandos]

Anyone bought Coppercoat for a diy application recently?

If so, care to say what the bare cost per liter of materials was.?

I wonder is it worth a trip to Southampton?

PS please don't tell me not to do it...

 

[Ammonite]

Anyone bought Coppercoat for a diy application recently?

If so, care to say what the bare cost per liter of materials was.?

I wonder is it worth a trip to Southampton?

PS please don't tell me not to do it...

Just under £1k inc VAT at last years show for a 36 footer. 9 litres of coppercoat plus associated thinners, rollers etc. From memory the show discount was 10%

The boat was previously coppercoated 13 years earlier so only needed sanding and it took best part of a day without a break for two of us to apply wet on tacky...not something I'd wish to repeat in a hurry

PS. That didn't include the keel.

 

[pandos]

Thanks for that info,

 

[Tranona]

Concur with that. Keel will take about 2l more. If Keel is iron blasting and immediate epoxy essential. That cost me just over £600 including the epoxy but no labour apart from the first coat.

 

[KeelsonGraham]

Yep, those figures are bout right and up to date. We did our 34 footer in April And the cost were in line with what’s quoted above.

 

[Gsailor]

It strikes me that we ( well, I don’t do it anymore) look at methods of making our tubs go faster...

Before antifoul came along, ships were beached and scrubbed ( if Navy vessels).

If sailing for pleasure and not racing ... the question I ask (and have asked myself for many decades) Is it worth it?

I sailed for the voyage, not the destination.

Well, that will have set the cat amongst the pigeons.

I used antifoul and I did not use antifoul.

I only ever raced dinghies, not cruisers- cruisers were for pleasure - not to be at a place at a time.

Of course, everyone is different - jobs etc get in the way for some.

 

[Daydream believer]

I have copper coat but it needs re doing for the third time. So abrading the existing hull should be relatively easy. The fin keel is cast iron & has been trouble since the first coat of coppercoat (now had 4) Stopping rust spots is very difficult. Plus the bottom 2 ft sinks in the marina mud, which is not fair on the coppercoat.
I find it easier to just use Shogun 33 on the keel- it actually holds back the rust spots very well- It also lasts a season, compared to the coppercoat, which has to be jetwashed mid season. It does not take long to do the keel & I can abrade it sitting on a chair. 5/6 hours work total.
So I intend to just coppercoat the hull & rudder. For my 31 ft boat that should be 6 litres @£ 64 plus the rollers, thinners, containers, trays & PPE
That has to be a better option than the work antifouling each year. I just need to haul out & jet wash mid season.
The manufacturers web site has a calculator for quantities of coppercoat.

 

[Sandy]

If sailing for pleasure and not racing ... the question I ask (and have asked myself for many decades) Is it worth it?

I have no interest in racing.

My average speed increased by 1 knot after copper coat. 24 miles extra a day = more time in the pub.

 

[Gsailor]

I have no interest in racing.

My average speed increased by 1 knot after copper coat. 24 miles extra a day = more time in the pub.

Well, that is important of course, although (in serious mode) the price of drink has shot up so much that I stock my own brewery now!

 

[KeelsonGraham]

It strikes me that we ( well, I don’t do it anymore) look at methods of making our tubs go faster...

Before antifoul came along, ships were beached and scrubbed ( if Navy vessels).

If sailing for pleasure and not racing ... the question I ask (and have asked myself for many decades) Is it worth it?

I sailed for the voyage, not the destination.

Well, that will have set the cat amongst the pigeons.

I used antifoul and I did not use antifoul.

I only ever raced dinghies, not cruisers- cruisers were for pleasure - not to be at a place at a time.

Of course, everyone is different - jobs etc get in the way for some.

This doesn’t really address the OP’s question, does it?

 

[Gsailor]

This doesn’t really address the OP’s question, does it?

No, you are quite right.

Please excuse me.

 

[Gsailor]

To answer to OP partially, I have no idea of cost per litre etc but do look for FREE stuff.

I saw an advert for a chap selling up and he gave away (to me) a tub (7kg) of copper particles (no idea of that in litres) and a box of resin and catalyst. I took it because it was free. I never used it. If I knew where I have stored it I would put it up for sale.

Does not answer your question, but once you know how much you need, perhaps scour the adverts as I used to - copper does not go off even if the resin does ( and that is cheap).

 

[pandos]

Given the work involved, in preparation and application, and even though I am a fearless DIYer, I have read enough horror stories, of amateur attempts to concoct a diy version of copper coat, to not even contemplate using anything other fresh ingredients from an accredited source.

Thanks for the figures, it's a 35foot boat so I guess something like 10units will be required.

 

[Tranona]

To answer to OP partially, I have no idea of cost per litre etc but do look for FREE stuff.

I saw an advert for a chap selling up and he gave away (to me) a tub (7kg) of copper particles (no idea of that in litres) and a box of resin and catalyst. I took it because it was free. I never used it. If I knew where I have stored it I would put it up for sale.

Does not answer your question, but once you know how much you need, perhaps scour the adverts as I used to - copper does not go off even if the resin does ( and that is cheap).

That is even more unhelpful than your earlier irrelevant ramblings.

Simple question which was answered accurately by 3 other people.

 

[Tranona]

Given the work involved, in preparation and application, and even though I am a fearless DIYer, I have read enough horror stories, of amateur attempts to concoct a diy version of copper coat, to not even contemplate using anything other fresh ingredients from an accredited source.

Thanks for the figures, it's a 35foot boat so I guess something like 10units will be required.

Just give AMC details of your boat and they will give you an accurate quote for what is required. They have been doing it for a long time and are very easy people to deal with.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

There's a calculator on AMC's website that will tell you how much you need.

 

[Gsailor]

That is even more unhelpful than your earlier irrelevant ramblings.

Simple question which was answered accurately by 3 other people.

Thank you for your kind words.

I thought that once the OP knew the litres required he could scour the free adverts - post 1 did mention DIY.

I quite agree with using fresh resin, but copper will be ok if it is not green and is still shiny copper colour.

Free advert worked for me - I have a lot of free copper and resin for an odd job (possibly) - no need to be rude, is there?

I am glad the OP was not as rude as you, but simply stated he would prefer fresh resin.

“irrelevant ramblings” left me quite stunned; in fact I found it rude and upsetting - it is not how I would talk to someone ... or anyone for that matter.

 

[Daydream believer]

I am glad the OP was not as rude as you, but simply stated he would prefer fresh resin.

I think that one needs to check before commenting on the subject.
As I understand it (others may correct me), it is not just case of adding ordinary resin. Coppercoat works (or does not in my case) because the formulation of the resin is such that it erodes & exposes the copper particles to the surface. After the initial application of Coppercoat, the surface is abraded to expose the copper, otherwise one would have to wait for the resin to erode before the copper was fully exposed.This process of erosion is very slow. It can take more than the claimed life of 10 years. So sometimes the coating needs abrading to speed things up.
If one just bought a quantity of ordinary resin, be it epoxy or otherwise, it would be a total failure, as it would not erode as required
I would further suggest that it is a risky business buying copper particles online, from an unknown source. It is a known practice to mix aluminium powder with it, to increase weight.
One company was forced into receivership, when it was found that the coatings they were supplying had failed miserably. They ( so they claimed) had been sold copper mixed with aluminium. Hence, failure & claims from customers that they could not uphold.

 

[footsoldier]

“irrelevant ramblings” left me quite stunned; in fact I found it rude and upsetting

You might also reflect if it could be sound advice.

 

[Daydream believer]

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