Price list

[Renegade_Master]

In car mags one can look at a list of new car prices for a particular type say 2litre saloons like for like
Is there a list anywhere with typical boats like for like new prices shown. For example say 36ft flybridge boats with standard spec say 230-260 engines, so one could make a quick check between manufacturers. Yes I know there are lots of extras to effect the ultimate price, but a basic spec list with the specs as close as poss.

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[petem]

Ooh no, far too sensible an idea. Sounds like a spread-sheet is in order.

If someone could send me current price lists for Fairline/Sunseeker/Princess/Azimut/Cranchi I'll extract the data and publish it on one of my sites.



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[tcm]

Re: Price list - kim?

didn't one of the mags do this till the manufactuers pleaded for it to stop? ...and we are only just getting to the point where 50+ foot boats include gps plotters.

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[petem]

Re: Price list - kim?

This sort of stuff is better done by someone without a commercial interest.

There was a used boat price list that contained useful info like price '£80,000 to £160,000', and therefore not terribly useful at all.

Is anyone else interested in a comparison chart? Of course the real fascinating info (cost of ownership and depreciation) would be harder to measure.

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[longjohnsilver]

Re: Price list - kim?

Yep, MBY did it until about 10 years ago, bit of a pointless exercise bearing in mind all the different engine options and extras.

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[petem]

Re: Price list - kim?

Engines not a problem as most of them use the same these days (e.g. Targa 30 and S28 both offered with AD31's and KAD32's), it's just a case of calculating a like for like comparison. You'd also have to have some columns that show what options are foc and what the cost of other extras is.

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[kimhollamby]

Re: Price list - kim?

I disagree with your comment about 'without commercial interest'. These lists are horribly labour intensive to keep up-to-date and a commercial interest (if by that you mean a website or publication run on a commercial basis) is one way of ensuring necessary regular effort as well as credibility for soliciting information.

I'm not unfamiliar with this. We ran a new boat price guide on MBM for several years and it was always difficult to keep up-to-date, once you factored in the general apathy of companies to respond to yet another form seeking information and the natural fluctuation that comes with many imported boat prices.

I also took a decision not to run a comprehensive secondhand boat price list because one could see that at the typically low volumes of boats produced it would be next to meaningless, or too broad to be of use. A used boat price publication subsequently fizzed into being sometime in the 1990s and promptly died again as if to prove the point...it certainly wound up with price spreads similar to the one you indicated.

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[petem]

Re: Price list - kim?

With respect.....

MBY/MBM and this website are all run on a commercial basis. As such I assume that you balance the increased sales and advertising revenue against the costs of researching and publishing any article. If this is an incorrect assumption please let me know.

My time is free and unlimited. It is therefore incorrect of you to infer that only a commercial organisation would have the time to do the job properly. I also disagree that it would be difficult to gather the data required. After all most of it could be obtained by walking around the London or Southampton boat shows. I would not attempt to perform a monthly update nor would I attempt to cover every single boat available in the UK. In my opinion this would be pointless as the vast majority of the market lies with half a dozen manufacturers.

To me, what is more important is how difficult it is to compare different boats. For example one manufacturers '40' model may be the same size as another manufacturer's '38' model. One manufacturer may quote a price based on an engine option that is so underpowered that it is never selected.

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[Observer]

Re: Price list - kim?

I think Kim was suggesting that only a 'commercial' organisation would have the resources to gather, validate, publish and update a large amount of data. Mebbe, mebbe not. I think there is a potential/latent demand for this type of info. What's the alternative - walking round a boat show, gathering price lists etc and trying to compile/sort it yourself.

I think could be useful even if restricted to the big four UK manufacturers (Sunseeker, Fairline, Princess and Sealine) who have comparable models across a reasonably overlapping range. Agree also doesn't have to be absolutely up to date. Annual update probably good enough (with suitable warning).

Not sure if you could make it commercial (as in charge for access) - except could be a useful feature to attract users and (I assume) advertisers.

Give it a go. I'd be interested to see the results.

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[Renegade_Master]

Re: Price list - kim?

You got it Observer I'd just add one more to the UK list thats Broom.
The reason I started the thread is because I was about to buy maybe new (turned out previously owned) 36ft flybridge boat. I had heard that Sealine for instance was generally cheaper than Princess or Fairline for vessels like for like, and indeed you often get a brief price comparison at the end of a boat test, under the title "rivals"

One always seems "price new £........ price as tested £........) due to owners extras list.

However it would be nice to have a reference list to hand, and I believe Pete's approach could be acheived. If I wasnt leaving the country I'd be happy to assist.

I think the criteria would be length comparable within a foot, engines same hp (and quantity) then obtain the most basic price from each manufacture, i.e. no extra over items, and then the list could contain more accurately what you get for your money, i.e. some may include VHF for instance, then it may help your decision.

CGN

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[byron]

Re: Price list - kim?

<font color=blue>For many many years there used to be an annual publication called "BRISTOWS BOOK of YACHTS" this ceased around 1990 when I assume Philip Bristow passed on to that big marina in the sky. In the early days, 1960s he used to give prices but later this wasn't feasible due to the model variations, engine options etc.
As regards editorial content being affected by advertising considerations. Any Editor worth his salt jealously guards his/her editorial freedom. Indeed the Editor can at his/her discretion ban an advertiser. Indeed to try and lean on a publication to get submissive editorial can be a very dangerous thing to do and long may this situation be maintained because eitorial freedom is part and parcel of a Free Press. One further thing. The reading public are not silly. They soon realise that a publication praising a product is so doing in return for advertising. This then cheapens all their content as being biased and untrustworthy.



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