capnsensible
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You can always call a vessel if there is a risk of collision situation on your vhf radio.
Challenging.That event is even more bonkers than I first thought.
Imagine doing that race but leaving your digital camera behind....
You can always call a vessel if there is a risk of collision situation on your vhf radio.
Each yacht is fitted with a yellow brick tracker.
true but ROTRA VENTE is a dutch vessel that from AIS records seems to have been en route from Rotterdam to Bilbao (she is currently on her way back to Netherlands and making 12 knots). That would mean she was roughly travelling SSE at the time (someone with a paid subscription could confirm that). The collision was reported as 120NM from the Spanish coast. Bayanat was going from Gijon to les Sabbles d'Olonne - so would have been trying to make passage in a general NE direction - his race tracking information shows he was doing well at >6 knots until around about 0815 UTC when his speed dropped to ~ 3-4 knots for the rest of the race. Race control were informed of a collision at 0851 UTC.Overtaking is one possibility if the bulk carrier is tootling along very slowly as I‘ve often seen ships do once within 50 miles of their intended port.
yes I think I've been quite clear that whenever there is a collision both skippers are at fault. The first expectation though (assuming the sailing vessel is not overtaking) is that a power vessel with no other limitations keeps clear of the sailing vessel and the sailing vessel holds its course.But also if the sailing boat makes a course change that causes the possibility of collision in a situation where the bulk carriers ability to manouvre is not fast enough to respond safely.
it probably shouldn't be last minute!In almost all open sea experiences with ships then the sensible approach for a sailing vessel is to stand on but be get sails prepared to allow a last minute manoeuvre if there is any doubt,
Yes some form of AIS is mandatory but not sure what exactly. Clearly not linked to a plotter!Looks like both the yacht and the bridge team on the bulk carrier were not looking.
Are GGR entrants allowed AIS?
Not sure what you mean by a collision avoidance system.
Well clearly, otherwise they would have GPS..... .Yellowbrick trackers do not provide a position to the boat carrying one, for those that might not know.
Not according to the race rules.Yes some form of AIS is mandatory but not sure what exactly. Clearly not linked to a plotter!
Not mentioned in the rules. Given the other things which are banned I'd say it may not be acceptable!I guess I was thinking about such things as alarmed radar detector as another system
I think they are....Not according to the race rules.
Not mentioned in the rules. Given the other things which are banned I'd say it may not be acceptable!
Allowed doesn't mean compulsory of courseI think they are....
3.1.10 Allowed Items.
AIS transponder with no access to GPS
But an AIS transmitter would be a very important safety feature for a solo race when inevitably the skipper will not be keeping lookout for long periods. A yellowBrick tracker, if that is all they have, doesn’t warn other vessels of their presence like AIS does.Clearly a critical requirement or part of the event is having the knowledge and skill to sail in a period correct vessel with period correct equipment. Astro is just one small part of this.
AIS is not required for a private sailing yacht on a pleasure voyage.
I would not define either of these setups as an avoidance system, a warning system perhaps.Yes some form of AIS is mandatory but not sure what exactly. Clearly not linked to a plotter!
I guess I was thinking about such things as alarmed radar detector as another system
I could see an argument that a huge cargo vessel is so slow to change course of speed that it's restricted in its ability to manoeuvre, and maybe that should be built into the colregs, but it isn't so it's clear: Rule 18 (a) A power-driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of ... a sailing vessel.
Rotra Vente isn't a huge vessel by modern supertanker/box shifter standards, so should have been able to give way to a sailing vessel if detected in time, so unless there are some special circumstances, the primary responsibility seems to me to lie with them. However, if they don't, Rule 17 applies.
Action by Stand-on Vessel (a) (i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way the other shall keep her course and speed. (ii) The latter vessel may however take action to avoid collision by her manoeuvre alone, as soon as it becomes apparent to her that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action in compliance with these Rules. (b) When, from any cause, the vessel required to keep her course and speed finds herself so close that collision cannot be avoided by the action of the give-way vessel alone, she shall take such action as will best aid to avoid collision.
That puts responsibility on the yacht as well.
All, of course, with no knowledge of the actual circumstances of the collision
So what?I would not define either of these setups as an avoidance system, a warning system perhaps.
I have had some reservations about the GGRcircusevent since it was first run. We live in a very different world than the era it is trying to represent. Look at sails, rope, clothing, nutrition and ships (especially the ships in both numbers and speed). They have all evolved, yet GGR still think it is 1968.
The earliest quote I can find is Peter Heaton in about 1947. He listed Umbrella, Garden Shears and a Royal Navy Officer. And he was a wartime Navy Officer himself.