Practicalities of a trailer sailer

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Hunter Mistral or Liberty are sensible alternatives, I had a Minstrel as a trailer sailer, it's gunter/gaff so the spars are short, they actually fit in the cabin, the mast is easily erected by one person and it sails well, that particular one is coming on the market, it's got a new, proper easy launch trailer with it, unfortunately John the chap I sold it to died in January, so it's for sale. Don't know how much but could find out, it's near Southampton.
 

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I have a Dabber, no cabin, so probably not what the OP looks for. Having a standing lug loose footed main sail rigging it is very quick: the sail is stowed laced and rolled around the yard; on it there is a strop with an eye. The halyard ends with a carbin hook and is kept abreast the mast by the parrel bead, already tied around the mast, One just hangs the yard to the halyard hook, connects the tack with the downhaul tackle (carbin hook), connects sheet tackle with rope horse (carbin hook) and clew (soft strop for safety sake) and is ready for hoisting away.
On my Longboat the main is also laced to the mast, even if stored on the yard there is still that to do. I have the parrel bead conversion kit from Churchouse Boats but haven't yet tried it.As far as I can see. most Longboat owners keep the yard up and the sail rolled up tight against it, which is fine when you're afloat but not so great when you want to drop the mast.
 

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I moved in the opposite direction from an 18' trailer sailer to a Wanderer dinghy, so maybe not the best person to ask. The points here are well made about a good tow car, rigging setup and trailer. However although it sounded good in theory I just found I could never get into the whole trailer sailer thing - I think quite a major part of the reason is that personally I don't like driving and being in cars :).

For me one appeal of sailing has to be that possibility to go and visist places at a slower and more relaxed pace without having to sit in a car to get there. A day out involving an hour or 2 drive to a slipway, say 30-60 minutes to launch and get going and doing the reverse at the other end of the day just isn't my thing. So that would put me firmly in the camp of getting a cheap mooring fairly close to home and using the trailer to avoid winter storage charges. But then I'd be looking to get something bigger than 18' and getting a bit more space and comfort and better at handling slightly rougher weather in that case - say 21-24". The other thing then that might change is the lifting vs bilge keel question. The keel box takes up plenty of cabin space, although of course makes it nicely shallow draft and makes for easy launch/receovery (somehow all boats I've owned in the past have been lifiting keel, even at 28'), if you only launch/recover once a year I see it that a bilge keel would be better.

Just something to think about. Maybe your're not the same as me and you'd enjoy the driving/trailing/towing aspects well enough for the benefit it gives of getting to sail in different places in the end. I think that is what a boat this size could be good for. Otherwise it strikes me as the worst possible compromise, a dinghy would be just as good for local half day/day sails near home (which tends to be more my thing, at least in normal years :-( ), and a slightly bigger trailer sailer would be better for more extended trips if you are only setting it up and launchning/recovering twice per season.

Thanks Chris that's a very good point that it could be the worst combination of both worlds. I was hoping to find something only marginally more difficult to launch than a Wayfarer but with the benefits of a keel and cabin, opening up more cruising opportunities. Although perhaps this doesn't exist!
 

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Thanks Chris that's a very good point that it could be the worst combination of both worlds. I was hoping to find something only marginally more difficult to launch than a Wayfarer but with the benefits of a keel and cabin, opening up more cruising opportunities. Although perhaps this doesn't exist!
Its a fine balance, a wayfarer is at the top end of weight that you can launch and recover by hand. For a step up to 18ft microcuppers: boat weight around 550kgs, the trailer will weigh around 150kgs, which will mean using a car to launch and recover. Drascombes will be similar in weight.
 

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On my Longboat the main is also laced to the mast, even if stored on the yard there is still that to do. I have the parrel bead conversion kit from Churchouse Boats but haven't yet tried it.As far as I can see. most Longboat owners keep the yard up and the sail rolled up tight against it, which is fine when you're afloat but not so great when you want to drop the mast.
My boat has a gunter rig and the lower part of the sail is loosely laced round the mast. The yard is held up against the mast by a line round the mast lead down to a cleat at the jaws. So the yard slides down for reefing and when I stow the lot, the yard and sail are bundled to the boom with the then loose laceing still round the mast. The goose neck is arranged to allow both of them to be lashed to the mast for trailing. The shrouds are left attached and the rig is supported by a couple of little crutches . Raising and lowering are about 5min, as the jib is hanked on, if windy, no jib and quicker. The main is 70sq.ft. to give an idea. I do this on the slip, as it is a bit 'tippy' in the water and one needs to secure the forestay.
 
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Its a fine balance, a wayfarer is at the top end of weight that you can launch and recover by hand. For a step up to 18ft microcuppers: boat weight around 550kgs, the trailer will weigh around 150kgs, which will mean using a car to launch and recover. Drascombes will be similar in weight.

I find the Wayfarer is actually just beyond the weight that SWMBO and I can enjoyably launch and recover. Bigger boats tend to have better designed trolleys/trailers and winches, and in my experience can actually be easier.
We traded down to a Wanderer principally to make launch/recovery easier, although we kept the Wayfarer for longer trips and stronger conditions.
 

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IMHO trailer sailing a yacht is never practical, I have had two and would never ever do it again. But of course much sailing is irrational so here goes.

Anything large is heavy to pull by car, or manuvere by manpower and getting mast up on anything over about 18 ft is a nightmare (I have had 18ft and 22ft)

Any bilge keel or bulb keel involves people up to the chests in water on recovery phase trying to get it lined up while standing in cold muddy water possibly with adverse currents (I and trailer got washed off slipway into deep water once - with ice in it)

So go for flat bottomed lift keel boat.

Be aware that any weight will try and drag car back into water where it wont float or run very well. If in doubt use extending rope to distance trailer from vehicle . Very very strong wire or rope as rope snaps kill or injure many folk in the commercial boating world and us liesure sailors are not immune.

Go for simple rig if trailing frequently as taking a day to rerig on a weekend outing is a bit sad.

If boat is to be trailed infrequently then heavier more complex boat is realistic. Particularly if trailing is mostly from club compound to slipway for launch.

I quite like the Drascombe Lugger as highly seaworthing, having a cuddy and well able to take boom tent for "camping" but by the time I discovered them I was already set on longer voyages bigger boat etc
 

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Be aware that any weight will try and drag car back into water where it wont float or run very well. If in doubt use extending rope to distance trailer from vehicle . Very very strong wire or rope as rope snaps kill or injure many folk in the commercial boating world and us liesure sailors are not immune.

Very many years ago, I was working on a field crew using diesel Land-Rovers. This was in the early 70s. One of them wouldn't start - battery flat. Sp, we decided to tow-start it, and got a really hefty piece of wire with a forged hook to use as a tow-rope. Got the Land-Rover moving, let the clutch up and BANG - the hook (a properly tested one) had straightened out! No-one hurt and no damage, as we were all in the Land Rovers. But someone could very easily have been hurt; that wire and the remains of the hook must have whipped around at quite a velocity.

So, not just strong wire or rope, but also a means of attaching it that is considerably stronger than you think necessary!
 

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Very many years ago, I was working on a field crew using diesel Land-Rovers. This was in the early 70s. One of them wouldn't start - battery flat. Sp, we decided to tow-start it, and got a really hefty piece of wire with a forged hook to use as a tow-rope. Got the Land-Rover moving, let the clutch up and BANG - the hook (a properly tested one) had straightened out! No-one hurt and no damage, as we were all in the Land Rovers. But someone could very easily have been hurt; that wire and the remains of the hook must have whipped around at quite a velocity.

So, not just strong wire or rope, but also a means of attaching it that is considerably stronger than you think necessary!

An engineer friend got out of motorway work after the driver of a dozer was decapitated next to him by a cable break.

For the trailer of a classic motor launch, we fitted a sliding extension tube with a second hitch. 'Bout 4mtrs long. Much more controllable than a bit of rope. Pull pin, slide out, put back pin.
 

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... So go for flat bottomed lift keel boat. ... Go for simple rig if trailing frequently as taking a day to rerig on a weekend outing is a bit sad.

How about a Hunter Liberty 22? Flat bottom, lifting keel, stayless masts, 540kg empty. Friends of mine sail one from Kirkcudbright and like her very much.

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From watching people turn up at our local slip, you don't want your family hanging around while you faff for an hour launching and rigging a boat, even less so recovering and de-rigging.
A towable boat is quite small for a family for more than an afternoon.
Having said that, I know people who had several fortnight family holidays in a Swift 18 and loved it. But they were not big people. They trailed it to the Med, Cornwall, Wales, Scotland.
 

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An engineer friend got out of motorway work after the driver of a dozer was decapitated next to him by a cable break.

For the trailer of a classic motor launch, we fitted a sliding extension tube with a second hitch. 'Bout 4mtrs long. Much more controllable than a bit of rope. Pull pin, slide out, put back pin.

Good idea. The problem with a heavy boat and steep slipway is that tow vehicle needs to be well back on non-slippery ground and maybe on level ground, and with a shallow beach or slipway the boat needs to go a long way out and vehicle needs to be above tideline to avoid wrecking its wheel bearings. If using rope then during "pull" no one should be within ropes length of any part rope either front back or sideways. One local yacht club member gained crippling head injuries by forgetting this in his concern for the craft. Tow extension probably sounds worse than it is - just needs managing.
 

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The displacement figures for the Liberty are all over the place... worth trying to find out the true figure?
 

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Our Liberty 22 with masts and sails but without anchor+chain and outboard comes out a millitad over 1000Kg. On trailer but still without anchor etc is 1500 kg.
The later version known as the Liberty 23 is 100kg heavier. Our trailer is a single axle without launching dolly.
Hope this helps?
 
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