Practical boat owners... really?

[kimhollamby]

Wrong I think

We have not conducted any research among forum users but having swum around on this forum for a few years and also being party to research on our magazines, which are quite obviously read by many here, the proportion is more likely to be 90-something per cent owner.

Of course, owning a boat doesn't make you an oracle overnight...in fact there are those that argue the wisdom ceases when the cheque book comes out of the pocket!

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[Talbot]

I am a boat owner (for last 16 years), but I am also a fantasist!!!!!!/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Guest]

My penny\'worth

Maybe it comes from keeping to one field or another without branching out trying out other.

There are plenty of owners who graduate up through one manufacturer ..... take Jeanneau ..... I know plenty who only buy Jeanneau, getting a bigger one each time they change. They gain immense experience, but only with the Euroyot.

Others stick with older trad designs ... Drascombes etc. So we have a completely different view and outlook.

So the danger is when they get together to answer someones questions ..... one gives the Euro-yot style answer, the other the trad. DIY'r ........

How can the worlds ever meet and combine ? Across the Folly Inn tables or Yacht Club of course AND forums.

The only bug I have with it ... is when one cries down another without good reason or debate. Which does happen often ..... whether intentionally or not.

So go with it, ignore the jerks, follow the good ....

Long Live the Forum



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[nicho]

I've been a boat owner for many years, though mainly with motor cruisers. Occasionally, I will offer advice on the Motor Boats site, but only if I have practical experience with regard to the question in hand. For the past 12 months, we have owned a new 37' sailing boat, and I have over this period learned a great deal from the forum. I would never however, at this stage of my sailing experience, offer advice on sailing issues, unless they revolve around my particular boat, or sailing area. I simply don't know enough about it.

I would have hoped that would be the same for other forumites, many of whom's advice I have acted upon, and have generally benefitted from.

I would have thought that most forumites actually own boats, or have done so, or are perhaps in between boats. Not much fun for them otherwise, surely?

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[johna]

Tom
Based on the evidence above you seem to have proved your point in that you are one poster that is ill informed on the chosen subjet. What is more you can't even post the question on the right forum.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the saying goes. For me beauty (on the water at least) comes in the form of a 30 year old GRP sailing boat. The material from which a boat is made shouldn't affect its classic status (if it has any). After all is said and done is it not the design and abilities of a yacht which make it classic, not how it was put together?

But on the subject of percentage ownership - a short while reading the posts and it becomes clear that many (probably most) of the forum members do own boats, some small, some large. The ones to listen to always seem to present well thought out and balanced advice - but it is only advice, read it then make up your own mind.

Regards, Jeff.

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[Evadne]

Re: What a strange post

I don't know about you but I'm always a bit wary of someone who is so sure of their opinion that any contradiction of it must be wrong, and that doesn't just go for yotting. I would agree that such opinions are very rarely voiced on this forum, most of us who give an opinionated opinion qualify it with IMHO, IMVHO.

I think there are several types of advice categories including:
No1: Rock Solid - Seen It Done It - Got The T-Shirt (e.g. anchoring strategies in a hurricane)
No2: Qualified experience: "this is how we do it on my boat" (e.g. what anchor?, where is the best pub in the Solent, etc.)
No3: Received Wisdom: "this is how I was told to do it" (e.g. answers to RYA yachtmaster conundra)
No4: GuessWork: You've got a problem, this is what I think (e.g. why is my Yanmar smoking?).
Nos5-100: Everything else.

Most intelligent sailors can tell which category an answer falls into, without prompting. The sort of deception that is being described above is very hard to get away with in such perceptive company, and will soon be pointed out, but I think it's always polite to qualify an answer to a query with how accurate you think it is.




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[alec]

Dear Mr Wright,

It does seem a shame that people like yourself choose to devalue both this forum and the people that you are speaking too by continued bigoted remarks and innuendo that are lacking in good taste.

I think most of us grew out of the ‘my dad’s better than your dad’ syndrome in junior school.

More of an adult attitude would be most welcome.

In my estimation your are certainly 'somehow less' than what a fellow sailor should be.








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[l'escargot]

Why's it the wrong forum?

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[john_morris_uk]

Re: What a strange post

I was fascinated to read the thread on who answers what and why. Agree with Kim and others on boat owning proportions. In theory I am supposed to know some of the answers, but my experiences lead me to conclude that as far as the sea and boats (power or sail) goes, you never ever stop learning - and as far as I am concerned that includes listening to other people's opinions - and discarding them quietly sometimes as well.

The bit that really got to me was 'Rock solid' - anchored in a hurricane therefore must know what he/she is doing. Well I admit to having anchored in a hurricane. Appart from the obvious one - what the **** am I doing stuck in the path of this hurrican?', my anchoring experience and techniques worked - I'm even happy to share them if you really want, but more importantly I remember the Antiguan/W Indies saying - if you survived the hurricane - you did it right. So in the light of that not too sure what compises rock solid can't bendit advise...

My conclusion- learn some basics, add some common sense - and just because someone does it differently to you doesn't mean that you or they are wrong! Also those who shout loudest aren't necessarily right either!!

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[Col]

Don't forget. A lot of the "answers" people give are actually only opinions (i.e) what type of boat is best? What's best for me may not be best for you, so I would qualify it with something like "I like sterndrives to get in closer to the shore"
After all, if we all liked the same thing there would be only one type/make of boat, in only one colour, interior layout and engine combination available.

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[Mirelle]

An oversight, perhaps?

Alec - with the exception of Kim Hollamby, whose replying in his professional capacity, you are the only person to have posted in this thread, which was started by an assertion that 80% of posters don't own boats or know what they are talking about, who does not include the details of your boat in your profile.

Given the subject matter, you might like to insert them.

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[tom52]

Re: What a strange post

The example that immediately springs to mind is the MOB thread earlier in the year.
At least one poster was suggesting that the best protection was to assume that falling overboard was inevitable at some point and that all sailors should wear a wet/drysuit and life jacket at all times.


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[Mirelle]

Oh, see what you mean!

There are some insanely keen offshore racing foredeck types who routinely go on deck in a drysuit, lifejacket and harness; indeed I have a friend who did at least two Sydney/Hobarts thus clad. Rather him than me, though.

But dogmatic assertion is not confined to us mere yotties; I am sure you have have read in manuals of seamanship that a ship's lifeboat should lie to a drogue and that oil bags should be hauled out to the drogue on an endless whip. Anyone who has ever used a drogue knows that the thing spins like a top, as soon as load comes on it, and would twist up an endless whip instantly!

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[johna]

l'escargot

Viewers of Scuttlebutt may be practical boat owners but viewers of Practical Boat Owner are almost certainly practical boat owners.

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[Peppermint]

Re:As I mentioned at the Folly Meet

I quite plainly have never been on a boat. ( I went to the meeting in a taxi)

I'm just grooming you all for my own nefarious reasons.

Well spotted Tom 52.

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[ianwright]

Oh Dear,,,,,,,

Dear old alec ,
You seem to be one of those chaps who take offence rather quickly. Perhaps a few smilies would help?

There, better now?
You see, the fact that I think that a wooden boat built by talented shipwrights to a high standard (100A1* say) is rather more desirable than one rolled into a mould by a spotty school leaver, or a Morgan +8 more than a Caterham, or a lead crystal glass more than a plastic cup doesn't make me a bigot.
I don't think that the owner of one is a better person than the owner of another ,,,,, so I'm probably not a snob either.
Some things are just ‘better’ than others of a similar type.
The grp boat might be cheaper, the Caterham faster and the plastic cup hold even more whisky than the glass, but they are all, forgive me, ‘less’ .
I wonder if you have any idea what I’m wittering on about?
Never mind, eh?

IanW


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[l'escargot]

Practical Boat Owner is for "sharing practical information" and Scuttlebutt is for "chat" and "discussion". I would say it is the right forum; but at the end of the day I would think it academic as most people probably read both.

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[Mirelle]

You latter-day William Morris, you!

Agreeing with Tolkien as well. Hopeless romantic!

I live in a house made of ticky tacky, but if I drink my Oz vin du plonk from an 1820-ish lead glass rummer it tastes better than out of a plastic cup, it really does.



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[Talbot]

I disagree with your <you can't even post the question on the right forum>. If you take the generic headings of -

PBO - Practical advice

Scut-But - Much more chatty

then the subject matter would seem to be in the correct forum (IMHO of course)/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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