Whitelighter
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I thank you, I'm here all week...
Power Cats - the video
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Gludy
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You know i have always thought of the Squaddie 58 as having just over an 18 foot beam! Must have somehow had tha wrong fact burned into me for a few years .... ita age Rick, simple age. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Mind you its actually the same as the Marlow though!!!! states he in a rear guard action.
Mind you its actually the same as the Marlow though!!!! states he in a rear guard action.
SpiderDiver
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The problem with cats and marina costs are not as much of a problem as you think. We are nearing the end of our first year in our 44' power cat and have never been charged by anything other than pure length when visiting other marinas. If you take into account the spacious deck spaces and we can sleep 7 in comfort without even cluttering up the saloon this represents very good value I think! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Also with out the rolling problem at anchor you could spend less time in marinas anyway.
Think the idea may be catching on as there is another cat in Torquay so no longer the only cat in the marina /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Other than the above there are of course significant other major pluses for power cats in terms of sea-keeping, ride, economy/range, manoeverability and safety as has been covered before here.
Also with out the rolling problem at anchor you could spend less time in marinas anyway.
Think the idea may be catching on as there is another cat in Torquay so no longer the only cat in the marina /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Other than the above there are of course significant other major pluses for power cats in terms of sea-keeping, ride, economy/range, manoeverability and safety as has been covered before here.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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gludy, I think 0.5mpg @ 20knots is not good at all compared to similar length monohull planing boats. This is data from MBY tests
Princess 61 0.73mpg @ 21.2kts (Sept 2002 MBY)
Squadron 58 0.82mpg @ 24.1kts (July 2001 MBY)
Now I accept that for boat reports, the test boats are lightly loaded and with clean bottoms but I would expect both these boats to give about 0.65-0.70 mpg @ 20knots which makes 0.5mpg look a bit sick. Thats not to say that this cat has some other good features but economy does'nt seem to be one of them
Princess 61 0.73mpg @ 21.2kts (Sept 2002 MBY)
Squadron 58 0.82mpg @ 24.1kts (July 2001 MBY)
Now I accept that for boat reports, the test boats are lightly loaded and with clean bottoms but I would expect both these boats to give about 0.65-0.70 mpg @ 20knots which makes 0.5mpg look a bit sick. Thats not to say that this cat has some other good features but economy does'nt seem to be one of them
KevB
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Do they make a powercat sports cruiser rather than a fly bridge. I'm not a lover of fly bridges. Too pipe and slippers for me.
Whitelighter
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Large angle grinder and hey presto - sports boat...
Gludy
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Mike - I am amazed at those figures and a friend has a Sq 58 and I have owned a 59 - were those figures actually printed as mpg in the reports or is there a maths mistake?
Gludy
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I think they are happy to make anything to your requirements.
Certainly they are offering a very bespoke design to me.
Certainly they are offering a very bespoke design to me.
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Not cheap either. Seems like base price in 2005 for the 60 footer was about £1.25m (say £1.4m now) and for the 52 footer about £0.8m (say £0.9m now). Add a few extras or bigger engines and you're talking £1.5m and £1.0m boats respectively plus the dreaded VAT and shipping on top of that. That kind of money buys a whole lot more boat made in Europe
Nautorius
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Kev,
Not saying how I know but it is very difficult to build a "Sportscruiser Cat" because of the companionway being above the tunnel. This means the cabin has to be at least 7ft above the tunnel which rules out a 'Sportscruiser type arrangement' The only option is to have non linking hulls and seperate accomodation with a berth in between.
Of course, there are some smaller manufacturers looking at producing a 'Nimbus/Aquador' style Cat if there is a market. No flybridge but driving inside with a sunroof. This means that it looks slightly less top heavy and will improve performance due to less weight.
The key with a Cat is mating design with accomodation. This has not been done too succesfully at the lower end of the Market (8-10m). The best is the Excitecat 8.08 but it is not the best looking. The UK environment needs a new builder, the Motorcat 30 is too mediteranean (american) for here and their new MC29 does not offer the advantage of beam for accomodation.
Anyway, far too much guff! What we need is a 9m x4m planning cat with two permanent double cabins, one permanent single cabin, a good sized head, a good sized galley and decent outside space. Oh and it should be built out of composites and have a large sunroof. Power with D3 DPs would be approx 33 knots! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Cheers
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Not saying how I know but it is very difficult to build a "Sportscruiser Cat" because of the companionway being above the tunnel. This means the cabin has to be at least 7ft above the tunnel which rules out a 'Sportscruiser type arrangement' The only option is to have non linking hulls and seperate accomodation with a berth in between.
Of course, there are some smaller manufacturers looking at producing a 'Nimbus/Aquador' style Cat if there is a market. No flybridge but driving inside with a sunroof. This means that it looks slightly less top heavy and will improve performance due to less weight.
The key with a Cat is mating design with accomodation. This has not been done too succesfully at the lower end of the Market (8-10m). The best is the Excitecat 8.08 but it is not the best looking. The UK environment needs a new builder, the Motorcat 30 is too mediteranean (american) for here and their new MC29 does not offer the advantage of beam for accomodation.
Anyway, far too much guff! What we need is a 9m x4m planning cat with two permanent double cabins, one permanent single cabin, a good sized head, a good sized galley and decent outside space. Oh and it should be built out of composites and have a large sunroof. Power with D3 DPs would be approx 33 knots! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Cheers
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DAKA
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Certainly they are offering a very bespoke design to me.
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Oh no, here we go again
" I want one with a glass bottom "
3 months later
"my glass floor has a crack in it and I want my money back" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Certainly they are offering a very bespoke design to me.
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Oh no, here we go again
" I want one with a glass bottom "
3 months later
"my glass floor has a crack in it and I want my money back" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
KevB
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Anyway, far too much guff! What we need is a 9m x4m planning cat with two permanent double cabins, one permanent single cabin, a good sized head, a good sized galley and decent outside space. Oh and it should be built out of composites and have a large sunroof. Power with D3 DPs would be approx 33 knots!
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You forgot the price.... All the above for less than £60k
Anyway, far too much guff! What we need is a 9m x4m planning cat with two permanent double cabins, one permanent single cabin, a good sized head, a good sized galley and decent outside space. Oh and it should be built out of composites and have a large sunroof. Power with D3 DPs would be approx 33 knots!
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You forgot the price.... All the above for less than £60k
Nautorius
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Nope But possibly around £109,950 inc VAT Fully Speced!
Just a thought!
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Just a thought!
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KevB
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Nope But possibly around £109,950 inc VAT Fully Speced!
Just a thought!
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And a link to the boat is........
Nope But possibly around £109,950 inc VAT Fully Speced!
Just a thought!
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And a link to the boat is........
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Nope, no maths mistake. I looked up the figures in the back issues myself. Yes I believe they are on the optimistic side which is why I said that in reality with a dirty hull and cruising gear on board, the mpg will likely be around 0.65 - 0.7mpg @ 20knots. For sure the latest planing hulls and engines are a bit more economical due to advances in hull and engine design and I would be very disappointed myself if I bought a new 60ft planing boat and it did only 0.5mpg @ 20knots. Obviously the consumption would be higher if the hull was a SD design but the Innovation describes itself as a planing hulled catamaran
On the other hand, maybe it's not fair to compare a 60ft monohull with a 60ft cat as the cat has a wider beam and therefore can offer potentially more accomodation, deck space and storage. The other point is that the Innovation seems to be designed for quite high speeds close to 40knots so maybe it's hull has a heavy lay up to cope with doing those kind of speeds in rough seas. Still I'd like to see more detailed info on mpg coz I wonder if 0.5mpg is not a bit pessimistic. The other thing of course is whether we're talking Imperial or US gallons?
On the other hand, maybe it's not fair to compare a 60ft monohull with a 60ft cat as the cat has a wider beam and therefore can offer potentially more accomodation, deck space and storage. The other point is that the Innovation seems to be designed for quite high speeds close to 40knots so maybe it's hull has a heavy lay up to cope with doing those kind of speeds in rough seas. Still I'd like to see more detailed info on mpg coz I wonder if 0.5mpg is not a bit pessimistic. The other thing of course is whether we're talking Imperial or US gallons?
D3B
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Bit quiet in the department store IT world?
Nautorius
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Well,
It would have to be built first! Current project (under construction) by UK boat builder, I will have more info in a while (when available). There will be a website I believe once all plans are finalised. The aim is to reinvent the 30ft Market using high tech materials and professional know how. Also being a low Volume builder customisation will be allowed as standard. Basic layout is two double cabins and large galley or additional single pilot berth and smaller galley. The Smaller Galley option is still the size of an S38 so not small.
As soon as I get more finalised info I will give it out! But it seems very interesting to me! Only downside is Tek-Dek not Teak but that is due to weight and a large cockpit (11ft x8ft). It may re-invent the way we look at 'small boating'
Cheers
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It would have to be built first! Current project (under construction) by UK boat builder, I will have more info in a while (when available). There will be a website I believe once all plans are finalised. The aim is to reinvent the 30ft Market using high tech materials and professional know how. Also being a low Volume builder customisation will be allowed as standard. Basic layout is two double cabins and large galley or additional single pilot berth and smaller galley. The Smaller Galley option is still the size of an S38 so not small.
As soon as I get more finalised info I will give it out! But it seems very interesting to me! Only downside is Tek-Dek not Teak but that is due to weight and a large cockpit (11ft x8ft). It may re-invent the way we look at 'small boating'
Cheers
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Deleted User YDKXO
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...non linking hulls....
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Wassat then? Difficult to imagine a cat or any multihull with non linked hulls /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
...non linking hulls....
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Wassat then? Difficult to imagine a cat or any multihull with non linked hulls /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Nautorius
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Sorry Mike...
I meant non linking accomodation pods in the hulls. The area above Tunnel would be too low to get accross (4ft) so only good for a double berth. Of course the bridge accross the tunnel links the two hulls!
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Cheers
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I meant non linking accomodation pods in the hulls. The area above Tunnel would be too low to get accross (4ft) so only good for a double berth. Of course the bridge accross the tunnel links the two hulls!
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Cheers
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KevB
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Hi Doug,
We'll soon be planning this coming winters activities if you're interested?
Kevin.
We'll soon be planning this coming winters activities if you're interested?
Kevin.