Power Cats - the video

Yes and thats one of the probs with small multihulls. The cabins are coffin like holes squeezed into each hull. Thats OK for guests but yer master cabin needs to be a bit more palatial
 
Yes they are not bad looking compared to most of the ugly cats I've seen and been on.

50+ft seems the length and key to mocats working space wise. Otherwise your looking at coffin sized 'dog box' sleeping cabins. For me a decent island double berth is a must. As I said before the 60ft mocats are a differnent proposition, but I remain unconvinced about smaller 30-40ft models due to the cramped accomodation below deck. These larger models are more attractive too. Again how much will you save on diesel compared to paying double the annual berthage fees? Also somewhat restricted in the places you can visit.
 
This is great stuff trying to understand what makes a good cat. I dont share some of the views but that is what a forum is for. Not all cats are the same. In fact for every monohull there is a cat equivalent. Just think of it..... Planing cats, SD cats, Semi planing cats, displacement cats, cats with big berths, small berths, awful cats with appalling fuel consumption, uncomfortable cats, heavy cats, light cats, fishing cats, ribcats, narrow cats, beamy cats, river cats, symetrical hulls, assymetrical hulls, hydrofoils, pig ugly cats, beautiful cats etc etc. Now throw into equation that they are more complex and very little information is available. Forums are a great way to learn and compare cats with the monos.

Commercial boys are turning in droves. Why??? Go to Seaworks next week if you need any proof.
 
Where did you get these figures?
I saw on their site that they have a US dealer, it's hard to believe they could sell in that market at such prices.
 
From the reviews on the Innovation website HERE and HERE

2005 base prices quoted in reviews

Innovation 52 AUS $1.85m @ AUS $ 2.3/£1 = £ 0.80m
Innovation 60 AUS $2.86m @ AUS $ 2.3/£1 = £ 1.24m

Add 2yrs inflation, bigger engines + a few extras and you get to the figures I stated. Then there's VAT and delivery as well
 
I think you will find pric es a re more flexible than that /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

IMHO here we have a nice looking Cat and one that can be built with a lot of variation in it.
The bedroom and lounge etc span the full widtrh of the cat.

I am not saying its enough to knock me of my Marlow path - but it is making mwe think.

As Victor sates - there are mnay type of cat - my guess is that this hull is really built for speed = low speed handling in rough weather would interest me.

I amy just have to take a break down under and investigate.
 
The 1.85 for the 52' is actually mentioned in a Feb 2007 review, why the inflation?
Can't see the need for bigger engines, either.
But the most important thing (hence the reason for my question), is that you're talking about an "official/advertised" price.
In my experience, market prices can be significantly lower - or not. That depends from the pricing strategies of each builder.
In some cases, it is almost impossible to achieve a 10% discount even without any boat to exchange.
There are other builders (usually the smaller ones) who prefer to publish ridiculously high price lists and then attract their prospects with huge discounts.
Dunno about these gentlemen pricing policies, but I wouldn't be surprised if in the States the 52 could be bought for not much more than a million usd.
Will try to ask around a bit, I'm getting curious about real street prices of these boats.
 
Mapism
I think you are right, the price is softer than what is claimed - if you are seriuos these guys will talk turkey I am sure.

I really think that cats will play a much bigger role in the future just as they do in the commercial market today.
 
Agreed.
I can't see factual reasons why they shouldn't, aside from the point of berthing width, which is marginal anyway.
Other things like esthetic tastes and prejudices might also influence their diffusion of course, but those will rather delay than stop it, imho.
 
Yup, you're right. My mistake. The 52 price is a 2007 price but I can't see how a 52 could be bought in the US for just over $1m. Thats nearly 40% discount before adding extras and delivery which no manufacturer would offer. Whats the point in actually having a list price at all if you're going to give away such a massive discount?
Having said that, if the 52 was priced at around $1m, that would make it a very attractive boat IMHO. It's the best looking motor cat I've seen and, at 5.4m beam, you might just squeeze it in to some 18m or 20m Med berths
 
I agree. Both the 60 and 52 are good looking boats and, crucially, not so wide that there is no chance of fitting into some standard berths. For me, a full width master cabin is a must; I just hate those tiny cabins you see on some cats which are squeezed into the hulls
I'd also be v interested to know whether these hulls are also intended for displacement speed cruising and what kind of range might be achieved
Yup, sounds like a few days in Oz for gludy on a fact finding tour is going to be a good idea!
 
The master cabin is full width.

The range at 9 knots is over 4000 Nm with fule consumption better than 2 gallons per Nm.

I have a video of the cat in winds of 30 knots gusting 35 and it looks as if she just glides through it - mind you whilst there are white horses the seas do not look that rough to me.
I will post the video today.

The ride at 9 knots is very important to me - I feel that displacement cats are the way to go but I am attracted by the ability to get there very quickly should the need arise. How good will the low speed ride be in bad weather? They claim its great but I would need to find out.

I really do think that cats are the future of pleasure boating - this one looks good as well.

The hull with bathing platform is actually 66 feet long - she is a big cat.

Yep an aussie trip just to find out is appearing on the horizon. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I agree that it does not look that rough, although high level views can be very deceiving!
It is not just wind speed that is important, direction and time have just as much affect on sea state.
Can they not give you more information about the sea state?
I would like to have seen some shots from the boat or another boat travelling in company.
 
That was my first reaction - it may have been windy, but the sea state didn't look to be 'rough' and possibly not even 'moderate'. Perhaps thats because the shot is from above and perhaps its because the boat is impressive. As you say, a half-boat alongside for comparism would have been useful...

Rick
 
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