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[Mike21]

Re: Wind over tide

Believe Brendans correct, wind over tide is wind against tide, think the terminology is wind and tide when wind with tide

 

[jimi]

Actually Brendan you're talking bollocks, I've used the inshore route at both St A & Portland in saily boat marginal conditions and ST A wa infinitely scarier. In the conditions we're talking about it is definitely bad to be anywhere near either and I'm not encouraging anyone to plough straight through Portland but to treat St A with due respect .. and yes I have stood at the top near the wee church and watched the maelsrom below in a gale. Suspect that in your club trips you would'nt have ventured near these places in the conditions requiring due respect

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Pah, I've met Haydn a couple of times and he's just a pussycat despite his gruff northern exterior. Anyway, I stand by what I said. Thats what this forum is about, discussing differences of opinion, innit?

 

[whisper]

See my edited post /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[longjohnsilver]

You're wrong yet again Mike, can't you get anything right, Haydn's more of a poodle than a pussycat!
And are you still boatless? If so what are you doing on here, this is a boaty forum not a recluse for former seamen! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[pheran]

Re: Wind over tide

I got so fed with this ambiguity that I now invariably refer to 'wind with tide' or 'wind against tide' Cuts out any chance of misunderstanding.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I am boatless this Friday, John, when my sale hopefully completes. We spent the weekend on the South Coast looking at a few boats but its the usual story. What we can afford we dont like, what we like we cant afford!

 

[tome]

Sorry to disagree Jimi, but St A's is a poodle compared with Portland in any weather IMO. St Albans much narrower and over before you know it, Portland is seriously dangerous if you get the conditions wrong. Even 10 miles out you will get confused seas in a blow.

 

[hlb]

EeeRRR Sorry Deleted User. I just stuck Wind over tide in google and surprise, surprise. Fink your wrong, well else everyone other is wrong.

 

[jimi]

Absolutely correct about Portland ..BUT.. I've been round St A in a blow and its not good. My intention here was to ensure ST A was not underestimated in crap weather ...

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

OK, stick 'wind over tide' into the Report Search facility of this website and what do you get?
'Definition of wind over tide AND wind against tide' part written by the respected Tom Cunliffe. Dont have the article but it tends to suggest he does'nt believe they mean the same thing does it?

 

[hlb]

You dont believe a bloody thing it says here do you!! Have not bothered to follow all the threads but looks simple enough!!

O6T - 2001 Sydney-Hobart yacht race
... the core as we beat into a difficult wind over tide set in 30 kts of breeze.
... The wind over tide was producing some steep seas. Its a difficult call, ...
www.conradhumphreys.com/index.cfm?articleid=22 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

TNC On Tour 2003 Page 12
... It now began to get a bit choppy, a nasty wind over tide short sea, ...
This was due to the NW (wind over Spring tide) Force 4 now not having much flood ...
www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_03/Tour03_12.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

TNC On Tour 2002 Page 10
... It was wind over tide, so slightly bumpy on the exposed sections of the river.
... Wind over tide can make it a bit bumpy even this far up. ...
www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_02/Tour02_10.html - 13k - 2 Apr 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Alderney | Yachts & Cruisers
... strong tidal streams (up to 9 knots in the Swinge and 11 knots in the Race)
can create dangerous overfalls, especially with the wind over tide. ...
www.alderney.gov.gg/index.php/pid/43 - 83k - Cached - Similar pages

Tidal River Ouse
... The lower Ouse also has its fair share of wind-over-tide problems – particularly
at Trent Falls and at Sandhall Reach (just above Goole) where a ...
www.battleoffulford.org.uk/ev_tidal_ouse.htm - 29k - 2 Apr 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Portishead Cruising Club - Pilotage
... The apparent wind is now nearly force 8, the wind over tide conditions kick
the waves up into short choppy seas the bow is regularly scooping solid ...
www.portisheadcruisingclub.org.uk/Pilotage.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

lymington_nationals_final
... at 1.00 pm into a brisk south-westerly force 5 and with the spring tide ebbing
there was a substantial amount of lumpy water because of wind over tide. ...
www.wanderer.org.uk/Racing%20Reports%202002/ lymington_nationals02/lymington_nationals_final.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

X-99 World Cup 2000
... but due to a strong wind over tide situation the committee boat could not hold
their anchor and we returned to the marina to wait until the tide turned ...
www.northsails.co.uk/media/reports/x99-wc.htm - 23k - 2 Apr 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Sailing Round Ireland Summer 2004 - Donegal
... The pilot warns that a 'steep and dangerous sea' can be raised here very
quickly in a wind over tide situation, which we now had. ...
www.bluemoment.com/ireland/27.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Secret Spot - Cornwall- [swellchaser.co.uk]
... Cove: Sheltered from southerly winds, good from low to 3/4 high tide. Good right
hand break over rocks, hollow at low tide. Works on any wind from E to ...
cgi.plankrider.plus.com/cgi-bin/betsie/wollparser.pl/ www.swellchaser.co.uk/barrel/breaktips/kernow.htm - 16k - 2 Apr 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

 

[BrendanS]

I'll say again. Portland is much worse than St Albans. Yes St Albans needs respect, but it's far less to be worried about than Portland.

I've taken club boats out to look at Portland in a fair blow, where there have been some rough conditions, but if you read my post further, you'll see I also say I do that trip as a day trip, and have been out there in much worse conditions than I'd take club trips on

 

[BrendanS]

I didn't say anything about SW, I said it depends on the wind direction, so not sure where you got that from. Think you are muddling up several different posts here.

 

[jimi]

Yet again I must ask for clarification ... what is a "fair blow", is it F10 or a F2 on a sunny day?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Consider me bludgeoned to death, Haydn by the overwhelming weight of your Google. I concede that there seems to be a surprising difference of opinion on this forum which I have to say I was'nt expecting. I also concede that wind over tide means wind against tide for a lot of people but there are also a number of people for whom it means the opposite. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Haydn but please dont let it generate into mudslinging

 

[Wiggo]

I think we may have reached the point where that number may be 1, Mike... ;-)

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Mmm, seems so. I shall retire with good grace confident in the knowledge that I represent the (very) silent majority

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

You were replying to my post which was replying to EyeNo's post in which he stated 16knots wind from the SW so I naturally assumed you meant SW as well. Apologies for misunderstanding

 

[Wiggo]

"Other useful information can be found on charts, i.e. tide races and overfalls. Tide races are areas of faster moving water caused wherever a reasonably strong tidal stream goes through a narrow channel, over a shallow bank or round a headland. Overfalls are caused whenever fast flowing water hits deeper, slower moving water. The chart symbol only indicates that the overfalls may occur there, some only appear on the ebb tide and some only on the flood tide, some only occur when the wind blows the opposite way to the flow of the tide, known as ‘wind over tide’."

From http://www.thameswey.co.uk/articles/seapaddling.htm, so not exactly definitive, but it's a start.