Port Stb'd Advice for Saily Person

[MainlySteam]

Port Stb\'d Advice for Saily Person

Asking you MoBo's because you use them more (and are cleverer).

Which are the Port and Starboard sides of a pier?

Seems I have missed out some important part of my education, never come across it until recently.

... in anticipation from saily person.

John

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[byron]

Re: Port Stb\'d Advice for Saily Person

NOW that is a superb question I believe the answer will be "When approaching from seaward Starboard is right, when walking from landside Starboard is left" The reason I think this to be the answer is because approaching a Pier to berth one regards it as a 'port' similarly the Pier jutting seaward is regarded as a 'boat'
I really am interested to see what others feel.

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[tcm]

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Excellent question. For illustration, I think that first one might consider smashing into the pier, probably about halfway down it, and thereby make some of it into a floating "vessel". Now, the floating pier will probably make most sense as a vessel when steered from the pier end, and this would be the back, as the semi-smashed parts will be lighter and therefore up front. One would likely get more steerage, protection and even power from the pierhead end too, so that would be the stern. From which is follows that the pier can be seen as a ship driven bows-first into the beach, starboard on the right hand side as walking towards the land.

Indeed the first piers were actually made from boats which had been driven ashore in this way, and hence there are more of them in dodgy and well-frequented sea areas like the south coast. I imagine that those boats most likely to have accidentally run up the beach in this way would be the ones with hopelessly frivoulous gadgets on deck such as funfairs and ice cream stalls, and especially if the hull was not too watertight and made of wrought iron.

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[DavidJ]

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Shouldn't make any difference if the pier is attached or not attached to the shore. Therefore the front and back of the pier are obvious and consequently port and stb'd definitions will follow.
David

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[MainlySteam]

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Byron, TCM - I do not know the answer, but looks to me as if you are both sniffing down the right track and I would be happy to follow.

Wonder what others think? Maybe it is like buoyage and different handed in North America?

Thanks for the response

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[Stingo]

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I don't believe that it has a port or starboard side - much like a sandbank or harbour wall doesn't.

If you're asking the question to clarify that you would be correct in saying something like "steer to the port side of the jetty", I am under the impression that the correct phrase would be "leave the jetty to starboard", or perhaps "we'll go alongside starboard side too".

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[Moose]

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But you could "go alongside starboard side too" on either side of the jetty.

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[Stingo]

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True, but it is obvious which side is the correct side if you already know you will be reversing in or going in bow too, so "starboard side too" will still be correct.

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[Artie]

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Too technical for my crew! When looking for a finger berth in Dartmouth recently I was told to go to finger "D 14". Not knowing the Marina I asked which side to hang the fenders if I was going to put the "pointy end in first". Answer "On the right" and of course three people on the pontoon to catch the lines etc. Some "stupidity" brings a lot of help. So, to my gang, we go red to red or on the left or right side as we face this mythical pier.

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[ArthurWood]

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Agreed, with the exception of the final 'o' /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[LadyInBed]

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I agree. I think they have a North or South side (or E / W etc).

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[boatone]

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Piers are often referred to as 'heading out to sea' so on that basis I propose starb'd as being the right hand side when looking towards the seaward end, and port the left hand side..
Thats that then.........next question? /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[ccscott49]

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Piers/breakwaters etc. do not have a port or starboard side, they have a North, South, East or West side. as in "come starboard side to, on the east side". Some of course have an inside or outside, but correctly they have compass sides.Now you could have a starboard side breakwater, in the entrance to a harbour, which is obviously as per bouyage, areas A or B. and you could then come to on the compass sides or inside/outside. Clear as mud, Eh!

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[AuntyRinum]

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Surely the correct way to identify it would be the West, East, North or South side. I've never heard port and starboard applied to piers and jetties.

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[MainlySteam]

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Hi Stingo - That would have been my thought too, but I have come across a place which says berth on the starboard (or port) side of the jetty itself. Too shallow for us to get in there, so the question is academic from my personal point of view, but has had me wondering for a while, more so as I have never heard anyone ask for clarification when given the instruction. Maybe they all just guess?

John

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[Stingo]

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Exactly. You took the words right out of my keyboard.

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[Stingo]

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A few years ago I had my boat moored at a marina that had teenagers doing their "Work Experience" work at the marina. Bless them, they were doing their best and not being boatie types, often got the correct terminology a little farse about ace. Could this be an explaination for your "port or starboard side of the pier"?

I think that ccscot49's (and other's) theory about a fixed object having a north, south, east or west side is probably spot on.

p.s. Heard that you kiwi b*st*rds gave us a good hiding at rugby today. GRRRRRR

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[MainlySteam]

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Colin - thats what I thought and agree is certainly the usual. The odd occasion I have had to come alongside a managed jetty, it has always been instructed as being the north, south, etc side. Sometimes the "seaward side", "town side" if some other obvious way of orienting oneself.

The tricky part of the case in point is that when they are instructed, no one seems to ask for clarification.

At least I feel a lot better now, thought I had missed something important in the last 50 years or so of boating. Now I know I have you lot on my side, when we are over that way this coming summer I will go and ask them, and not feel as if I am an idiot for not knowing (well at least for not knowing that!).

Thanks all

John



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[ccscott49]

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Remember I'm a half saily person, I'm a ragpotter!

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[MainlySteam]

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... or fencesitter?

Have to say I am not too proud to use my engine instead of drifting aimlessly around or in order to get to an anchorage in time for a decent meal and drink.

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