BarryH
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Yes, but if i tell you, I'll have to kill you. Or go to Ribnet and see himon there.
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Metabarca
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Great, no more of your boring knit picking. Hoorah!!
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Acksherly, it's "nit-picking". Sorry, couldn't resist that one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(I'm not normally a knit-picker, you know /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)
Great, no more of your boring knit picking. Hoorah!!
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Acksherly, it's "nit-picking". Sorry, couldn't resist that one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(I'm not normally a knit-picker, you know /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)
Aardee
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Its "Actually" not "Acksherly"
Call yourself a nit-picker... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Call yourself a nit-picker... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
KevB
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I was recounting times when my Granny would pick on me for the slightest error. She did this whilst knitting....... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
jimi
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then she'd sock you, ya heel!
iangrant
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Jimi - please try to be serious there is a man in great pain on here!
Ian
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tcm
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wrong end of stick : all explained here
um this seems to have been precipiated by the f10 thread.
Gludy, i am afraid that you didn't read my post at all carefully as you implore others to do. Firstly you didn't see that i was in a sailing boat. Secondly - I didn't *actually* claim that the instantaneous 55knots comprised an f10 - read the post again. I said that having been in a sailing boat in 55knots i can believe brendans claim of 55 knots - by extrapolation: - the solent sea state that i was in was well downwind from the lymington area where brendan was previously -so I reckon that the likely sea state would have ben much easier, and quite reasonably have been handled. So, i reckon Brendan is right. You seem a bit determined not to believe brerndan, and also not to believe me. From your experience of boating which i believe is in the bristol channel, that same wind would of course be untenable - but you don't know the area to which brendan is referring and i do - hence i believe it would be doable and not necesarily in massive danger - provided it was a short spin in those sheltered waters, which it was.
As we went back in on Friday, some other small powerboats went out, inlcuing two little ribs as well.
Cliquewise, you are mistaken. I have met wiggo and spoken briefly to him for a total of bout er 6 minutes over two or three occassions. However, he is quite a reasonable and sensible chap, and if i talked rubbish he'd say so, and has done in the past. So have lots of others. Hardly a clique, really. You're free to say that i'm talking rubbish, or indeed talk rubbish yourself. Sometimes, there's some useful info. But we should let the forum run a bit rather than (as you do sometimes) answer every single point/post and argue all ends up.
I blame myself for being away for a day and not correcting this earlier. But really - you bashed on about the f10 without reading it carefully, dintcha? Not to worry - no harm done. Unlike my other thread where i suggested that people should attach themselves to an outboard and then try and attach it to a dinghy, ahem...
um this seems to have been precipiated by the f10 thread.
Gludy, i am afraid that you didn't read my post at all carefully as you implore others to do. Firstly you didn't see that i was in a sailing boat. Secondly - I didn't *actually* claim that the instantaneous 55knots comprised an f10 - read the post again. I said that having been in a sailing boat in 55knots i can believe brendans claim of 55 knots - by extrapolation: - the solent sea state that i was in was well downwind from the lymington area where brendan was previously -so I reckon that the likely sea state would have ben much easier, and quite reasonably have been handled. So, i reckon Brendan is right. You seem a bit determined not to believe brerndan, and also not to believe me. From your experience of boating which i believe is in the bristol channel, that same wind would of course be untenable - but you don't know the area to which brendan is referring and i do - hence i believe it would be doable and not necesarily in massive danger - provided it was a short spin in those sheltered waters, which it was.
As we went back in on Friday, some other small powerboats went out, inlcuing two little ribs as well.
Cliquewise, you are mistaken. I have met wiggo and spoken briefly to him for a total of bout er 6 minutes over two or three occassions. However, he is quite a reasonable and sensible chap, and if i talked rubbish he'd say so, and has done in the past. So have lots of others. Hardly a clique, really. You're free to say that i'm talking rubbish, or indeed talk rubbish yourself. Sometimes, there's some useful info. But we should let the forum run a bit rather than (as you do sometimes) answer every single point/post and argue all ends up.
I blame myself for being away for a day and not correcting this earlier. But really - you bashed on about the f10 without reading it carefully, dintcha? Not to worry - no harm done. Unlike my other thread where i suggested that people should attach themselves to an outboard and then try and attach it to a dinghy, ahem...
stelican
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I thought the waffle about stabilisers at 25 knots was unforgetable
kindredspirit
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Paul,
At 10 to 6 this evening there's 761 "views" on this thread. I don't think you've gone away because a very large percentage of those clicks must be yours.
I'd say you'll be back !!!
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At 10 to 6 this evening there's 761 "views" on this thread. I don't think you've gone away because a very large percentage of those clicks must be yours.
I'd say you'll be back !!!
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Gludy
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Re: wrong end of stick : all explained here
TCM
I was not going to answer any posts but felt I had to on your last post.
1. I am stopping using this forum because of the reasons I stated - not because of any particular discussion. With over 1500 posts under my belt and my willingness to even join in threads taking the p*** out of me, I am hardly thin skinned.
2. As regards the f10 - your heading was f10 and small boat and Brendan right-my very first post to you was:-
"Was it a f10 there on Friday?
How did you know the true wind speed? "
They could not have been a simpler questions.
Then the gang arrives and muddies the waters making all sorts of stupid claims. all to maintain a totally absurd position about small boats being OK out in some f10s. However, not content with muddying the waters they as always have to get personal .... and it is the stupid school boy tactics that have got me fed up enough to realise that it is totally pointless trying to have any constructive discussions because there are too many egos stuck in the way ... so we all have to pussyfoot around them.
In fact I tried to keep it simple and for it to get somewhere - other posted links to highly technical stuff I only posted links in response.
I think you are very wrong about the clique ..... I am totally fed up with it and when what I get out of the forum is less than the hassle of taking part, it simply is not worth carrying on.
I found Wiggo personal and rude - the typical tactic of someone who cannot stick to the point but then he is not alone in that. His going on about me calling folks liars etc just about did it – anyone reading my posts on that thread can only see a reasoned approach to try and find out the true reasons why some wind speed indicators could have read high and what the true prevailing conditions were that day. So after that I realised that the little boys obviously feel strength in numbers and its best if I leave them in their little gang to their own little world.
I did not find anything you have written in anyway offensive.
I am not going off in a huff at all, just frankly glad to be away from it.
I will still use other forums on a limited basis to obtain information I need.
I had given this forum a fair spell off and only started again last December because the page I was looking at was 80% NB threads. It will be interesting to see where it goes now, if it dishes out the standard rude stuff to newcomers then not long I guess.
TCM
I was not going to answer any posts but felt I had to on your last post.
1. I am stopping using this forum because of the reasons I stated - not because of any particular discussion. With over 1500 posts under my belt and my willingness to even join in threads taking the p*** out of me, I am hardly thin skinned.
2. As regards the f10 - your heading was f10 and small boat and Brendan right-my very first post to you was:-
"Was it a f10 there on Friday?
How did you know the true wind speed? "
They could not have been a simpler questions.
Then the gang arrives and muddies the waters making all sorts of stupid claims. all to maintain a totally absurd position about small boats being OK out in some f10s. However, not content with muddying the waters they as always have to get personal .... and it is the stupid school boy tactics that have got me fed up enough to realise that it is totally pointless trying to have any constructive discussions because there are too many egos stuck in the way ... so we all have to pussyfoot around them.
In fact I tried to keep it simple and for it to get somewhere - other posted links to highly technical stuff I only posted links in response.
I think you are very wrong about the clique ..... I am totally fed up with it and when what I get out of the forum is less than the hassle of taking part, it simply is not worth carrying on.
I found Wiggo personal and rude - the typical tactic of someone who cannot stick to the point but then he is not alone in that. His going on about me calling folks liars etc just about did it – anyone reading my posts on that thread can only see a reasoned approach to try and find out the true reasons why some wind speed indicators could have read high and what the true prevailing conditions were that day. So after that I realised that the little boys obviously feel strength in numbers and its best if I leave them in their little gang to their own little world.
I did not find anything you have written in anyway offensive.
I am not going off in a huff at all, just frankly glad to be away from it.
I will still use other forums on a limited basis to obtain information I need.
I had given this forum a fair spell off and only started again last December because the page I was looking at was 80% NB threads. It will be interesting to see where it goes now, if it dishes out the standard rude stuff to newcomers then not long I guess.
tcm
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well um just a minute
um, well, you did take rather pursue this with a bit too much doggedness and gusto from an early stage.
On reading my post, you leapt against the idea altho, admit it - you hadn't quite read it correctly. Neither bout the sailing boat nor the wind force issue.
You then asked for lots of other info from other people abot the weather. This essentially seemed to very publicly asking for proof against what i said, and hence tacitly sort-of disregarding my word as a unreliable, a liar.
All i implied was that i think that in the right weatherr conditons, i reckon it's about doable to be in an f10 in a 21 footer. You would have to be a bit gutsy, and i think brendan is quite gutsy having met him. Now, i don't think he'd RECOMMEND doing it, or even plan it - but with pressure to go, and reasonable inshore conditons, he had a look, and came back to find it was a reported f10 - and hence that counts as "being out in an f10".
not that any of this matters, does it? - you asked, others told you? I mean, powerskipper asks loaeds of questions but doesn't go flippin mental when the answers are not as she expected? There isn't a clique - which would mean everyone turning against you regardless of the issue. They don't.
But your personal clique leaps at anyone who demurs from your view, dissecting their view at length.
You leapt at wigggo about the powerboat "last time i looked that wasn't a powerboat" and i wd hope had the good grace to say ooops! damn. or whatever when wiggo pointed out that my first line sed i was on a ragboat. But by that time you seemed in full flow, battering away at me - but i had gorn off somewhere, sadly leaving you to pressure-boil.
I have yet to see many people "win" arguments here unles it's a plain matter of fact. The enjoyment is the journey - the chat, the information, and yes - the fun.
IMHO you'll have a bad time if you want to adopt a strongly defined position and resisting or attempting to destroy the slightest challenge. I mean - you aren't utterly sure of many people's thoughts about red diesel, waterjets, catamarans, trawlerboats, sailing boats and using 21footers in a f10 but everyone knows your positon, very loud and very clear - so much so that there's bnot really much poinmt in discussing it and indeed quite risk in opening the question. I'm not utterly sure but i reckon the red diesel debate got moved because you went on and on and swamoped all other posts. Perhaps i'm wrong there, but i hope you se the point.
Yet again i say - lighten up a bit? However hard you type - and however much you type - i'm still allowed my point of view and so is everyone else.
(seprete thought incidentally - this is incredibly unmoderated at the moment innit? )
um, well, you did take rather pursue this with a bit too much doggedness and gusto from an early stage.
On reading my post, you leapt against the idea altho, admit it - you hadn't quite read it correctly. Neither bout the sailing boat nor the wind force issue.
You then asked for lots of other info from other people abot the weather. This essentially seemed to very publicly asking for proof against what i said, and hence tacitly sort-of disregarding my word as a unreliable, a liar.
All i implied was that i think that in the right weatherr conditons, i reckon it's about doable to be in an f10 in a 21 footer. You would have to be a bit gutsy, and i think brendan is quite gutsy having met him. Now, i don't think he'd RECOMMEND doing it, or even plan it - but with pressure to go, and reasonable inshore conditons, he had a look, and came back to find it was a reported f10 - and hence that counts as "being out in an f10".
not that any of this matters, does it? - you asked, others told you? I mean, powerskipper asks loaeds of questions but doesn't go flippin mental when the answers are not as she expected? There isn't a clique - which would mean everyone turning against you regardless of the issue. They don't.
But your personal clique leaps at anyone who demurs from your view, dissecting their view at length.
You leapt at wigggo about the powerboat "last time i looked that wasn't a powerboat" and i wd hope had the good grace to say ooops! damn. or whatever when wiggo pointed out that my first line sed i was on a ragboat. But by that time you seemed in full flow, battering away at me - but i had gorn off somewhere, sadly leaving you to pressure-boil.
I have yet to see many people "win" arguments here unles it's a plain matter of fact. The enjoyment is the journey - the chat, the information, and yes - the fun.
IMHO you'll have a bad time if you want to adopt a strongly defined position and resisting or attempting to destroy the slightest challenge. I mean - you aren't utterly sure of many people's thoughts about red diesel, waterjets, catamarans, trawlerboats, sailing boats and using 21footers in a f10 but everyone knows your positon, very loud and very clear - so much so that there's bnot really much poinmt in discussing it and indeed quite risk in opening the question. I'm not utterly sure but i reckon the red diesel debate got moved because you went on and on and swamoped all other posts. Perhaps i'm wrong there, but i hope you se the point.
Yet again i say - lighten up a bit? However hard you type - and however much you type - i'm still allowed my point of view and so is everyone else.
(seprete thought incidentally - this is incredibly unmoderated at the moment innit? )
BarryH
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Re: well um just a minute
"seprete thought incidentally - this is incredibly unmoderated at the moment innit?".......hhmmm I was thinking that. Sailed rather too close to the wind sometimes yet theres be no input from the thought police!
Mind you, it is getting all rather tiresome now......don't you think?
"seprete thought incidentally - this is incredibly unmoderated at the moment innit?".......hhmmm I was thinking that. Sailed rather too close to the wind sometimes yet theres be no input from the thought police!
Mind you, it is getting all rather tiresome now......don't you think?
Solitaire
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Re: well um just a minute
Yup, it's gone full circle and the record seems to be stuck!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Yup, it's gone full circle and the record seems to be stuck!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Gludy
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Re: well um just a minute
Well you are part of that lot after all then.....
I asked to establish just what you were claiming and took your garbled answer to confirm that you were claiming you were in an f10 ... as indeed anyone would - the thread then was about if an f10 existed or not.
"You then asked for lots of other info from other people abot the weather. This essentially seemed to very publicly asking for proof against what i said, and hence tacitly sort-of disregarding my word as a unreliable, a liar. "
Total rubbish - this is the very heart of the matter - at no time did I not believe the readings anyone was giving out I was looking for an explanation for them whilst determining that the prevailing conditions were f7 I was first to mention tunnelling increasing the wind and the errors possible in instruments ...... its because you and the clique cannot separate a discussion of fact from your own personal pride that the problems start ... personal remarks instead of sticking to the issues and arguing the case.... I am amazed that even you took my research of the conditions and the ideas for the reading discrepancy as an insult that in effect called you a liar .... with thoughts like that your reactions become personal and hence the thread becomes personal.
"and came back to find it was a reported f10 - and hence that counts as "being out in an f10". "
Last time out I was in a reported f8 but it was an f3 or f4 - so does that mean I was in an f8 , not at all- I even started a thread on the difference. On Friday it was a reported f7, but you chose to take it as a f10 then at times say you did not take it as an f10 ... a very safe changing position. Not of any importance at all if you are not being personal .... but then you cannot resist ending up with the hounds can you.
For the record I think that anyone who suggest that any 21 foor power boat can go out safely to sea in any prevailing f10 conditions is an idiot and is offering harmful advice to anyone starting boating. But frankly, after the last thread I do not think that is the case because I think they are not f10's at all. The way the clique have ganged together on this ridiculous position just shows how far you will go to avoid having to agree with simple logic and common sense.
Well you are part of that lot after all then.....
I asked to establish just what you were claiming and took your garbled answer to confirm that you were claiming you were in an f10 ... as indeed anyone would - the thread then was about if an f10 existed or not.
"You then asked for lots of other info from other people abot the weather. This essentially seemed to very publicly asking for proof against what i said, and hence tacitly sort-of disregarding my word as a unreliable, a liar. "
Total rubbish - this is the very heart of the matter - at no time did I not believe the readings anyone was giving out I was looking for an explanation for them whilst determining that the prevailing conditions were f7 I was first to mention tunnelling increasing the wind and the errors possible in instruments ...... its because you and the clique cannot separate a discussion of fact from your own personal pride that the problems start ... personal remarks instead of sticking to the issues and arguing the case.... I am amazed that even you took my research of the conditions and the ideas for the reading discrepancy as an insult that in effect called you a liar .... with thoughts like that your reactions become personal and hence the thread becomes personal.
"and came back to find it was a reported f10 - and hence that counts as "being out in an f10". "
Last time out I was in a reported f8 but it was an f3 or f4 - so does that mean I was in an f8 , not at all- I even started a thread on the difference. On Friday it was a reported f7, but you chose to take it as a f10 then at times say you did not take it as an f10 ... a very safe changing position. Not of any importance at all if you are not being personal .... but then you cannot resist ending up with the hounds can you.
For the record I think that anyone who suggest that any 21 foor power boat can go out safely to sea in any prevailing f10 conditions is an idiot and is offering harmful advice to anyone starting boating. But frankly, after the last thread I do not think that is the case because I think they are not f10's at all. The way the clique have ganged together on this ridiculous position just shows how far you will go to avoid having to agree with simple logic and common sense.
kindredspirit
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Re: well um just a minute
My goodness! 10 to 8 now and 895 "views" !!!
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My goodness! 10 to 8 now and 895 "views" !!!
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jimduncan1
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900 views now, wonder what the record for number of views is??
Solitaire
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Re: well um just a minute
Me thinks you do protesteth too much! In the process, you are now truly taking the whole issue beyond the pale. And you wonder why the group are "ganging" up on you? As I said in an earlier post, I have some some sympathy for certain of your views. That sympathy has now turned to total disdain. Do us all a favour and move on, lighten up and get a life. Or just simply fade away.
This whole situation is a bit like the Irish problem - none can remember how it started! It's lost it's potency and I would suggest most are viewing this thread for sheer entertainment /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Me thinks you do protesteth too much! In the process, you are now truly taking the whole issue beyond the pale. And you wonder why the group are "ganging" up on you? As I said in an earlier post, I have some some sympathy for certain of your views. That sympathy has now turned to total disdain. Do us all a favour and move on, lighten up and get a life. Or just simply fade away.
This whole situation is a bit like the Irish problem - none can remember how it started! It's lost it's potency and I would suggest most are viewing this thread for sheer entertainment /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
rich
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Re: well um just a minute
[[I would suggest most are viewing this thread for sheer entertainment]]
YUP.
[[I would suggest most are viewing this thread for sheer entertainment]]
YUP.
hardy
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Re: well um just a minute
good god whats going on? I go on this site mainly for advice, or if I can give an idea on how to help ,and find all this disatisfaction, Its a FORUM ONLY and there are lots of people with a lot of knowlege ITs great.
I am in the medical profession and get asked for a diagnosis all the time. I need all the facts first and then use my experience and knowlege to arrive at an answer
much the same as here, althought I get in deep doo do if I am WRONG
good god whats going on? I go on this site mainly for advice, or if I can give an idea on how to help ,and find all this disatisfaction, Its a FORUM ONLY and there are lots of people with a lot of knowlege ITs great.
I am in the medical profession and get asked for a diagnosis all the time. I need all the facts first and then use my experience and knowlege to arrive at an answer
much the same as here, althought I get in deep doo do if I am WRONG
tcm
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I wonder what "clique" helped and (wisely) advised against buying that Cara? It was this lot on this forum, wasn't it, hm?!
This time, you took my innocent post and banged on and on. This lead from a post which you posted about the worst werather people had been in which included a poll (which we all accept included loads of fibs) and you settled upon brendan as your target. You've gotten yourself in a right state.
There's no "clique" - end of story. Itseems that you aren't using the word correctly. I'm not "part of that lot" whatever that means - i have my own sometimes quite daft views. You, on the other hand, have been boating for a just a few years in one particular part of the UK and your posts read as intransigently as multiple circumnavigator. You were iontransigent about the cara until i hit you with the depreciation thing.
I can have my views - you can have yours. Everyone else can have theirs too. They can draw their own conclusions - they do NOT need you or me to say "well, that's plain stupid, only and idiot would etc etc etc"
Separetly, the forum was fine before you arrived, and will be fine whoever leaves, as has been shown lots of times.
I think that aspects of your previous post including "you are part of that lot" and your response to my saying what my feelings are (which you have to say only i can report, not you) as "total rubbish" were not worthy of you and you should withdraw them.
I wonder what "clique" helped and (wisely) advised against buying that Cara? It was this lot on this forum, wasn't it, hm?!
This time, you took my innocent post and banged on and on. This lead from a post which you posted about the worst werather people had been in which included a poll (which we all accept included loads of fibs) and you settled upon brendan as your target. You've gotten yourself in a right state.
There's no "clique" - end of story. Itseems that you aren't using the word correctly. I'm not "part of that lot" whatever that means - i have my own sometimes quite daft views. You, on the other hand, have been boating for a just a few years in one particular part of the UK and your posts read as intransigently as multiple circumnavigator. You were iontransigent about the cara until i hit you with the depreciation thing.
I can have my views - you can have yours. Everyone else can have theirs too. They can draw their own conclusions - they do NOT need you or me to say "well, that's plain stupid, only and idiot would etc etc etc"
Separetly, the forum was fine before you arrived, and will be fine whoever leaves, as has been shown lots of times.
I think that aspects of your previous post including "you are part of that lot" and your response to my saying what my feelings are (which you have to say only i can report, not you) as "total rubbish" were not worthy of you and you should withdraw them.
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