lustyd
Well-Known Member
You think the goal of the contractors writing this system is a fully working system? Who would they bill their time to after the project finished?
Pleasure Craft Report Service (sPCR) - Gotcha
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awol
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If it were only so! Unfortunately since we "took back control of our borders" there is a cohort of long term residents, UK tax payers most of them, who, if they leave the UK, have no right of re-entry.
DanTribe
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Not sure that's true. On our trips we sometimes leave UK with crew who have to return to UK or head for other countries and we are later joined by others who may return to UK with us.
I'm sure this happens a lot.
lustyd
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But 99% is probably right since the vast majority of trips are out and back. There may be a lot like you, but there are a really lot of them!
lustyd
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Surely if they don’t have right of entry then they don’t have right to remain?
st599
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Nope. That's what the Windrush Scheme is trying to fix.
awol
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...... and Europeans who have lived here and worked - in my wife's case over 50 years. Child rearing and parental support gaps in earnings made proving the requirements for Settled Status (+ ~$2k for a UK passport) obstacles in this brave new world.
lustyd
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That’s an entirely different scenario. An administrative error meant they didn’t have the right to remain, hence couldn’t come back and shouldn’t have been here (officially).
lustyd
Well-Known Member
But those people should have acquired the right to remain when we split from EU. Does she officially have the right to remain but not enter, or is she just stuck in an argument. Those are different things and I was interested if there was a genuine scenario where someone may be unable to enter yet free to stay officially. I wasn’t disputing just curious how that would work according to the rules.
MontyMariner
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You would hope that when you put in your departure notice, the crews passport details would flag an issue with returning, but on the present performance of the system I very much doubt it.
st599
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Isn't the point they didn't need a right to remain when they entered - then that changed in the 70s, and there was no way to retrospectively apply.
Little Tern
Member
Apart from the fact that 99 times out of 100 isn't enough...
just because they're happy for someone to leave the country doesn't mean they're happy for them to return undocumented.
lustyd
Well-Known Member
I can’t see a scenario where you’re unable to apply. If you’re still talking about the 70s then 50 years is plenty of time to gain citizenship.
lustyd
Well-Known Member
That was the point of my question. If you’re not allowed to return then in all likelihood you shouldn’t be in the country anyway.
I’m not a froth mouthed reformer by a long stretch, but I can’t see a scenario where someone without a visa or passport of some sort should be allowed to stay. If they are working and paying tax then I agree they should probably get citizenship, but generally that’s what people do when they’re legitimate.
Little Tern
Member
But they weren't being allowed to stay. They were being allowed to leave
awol
Well-Known Member
I like the idea of your world but having an NI number, paying tax, even voting (maybe not in Englandshire) for many years was no guarantee that re-entry would be allowed.
Anyway, my apologies for diverting attention from the 3rd world difficulties of conforming with the requirements for re-entry of sailors into England from countries that their countrymen voluntarily left.
Little Tern
Member
Before we get bogged down in irrelevancies about who has the right to be in the country...
Back to the OP's situation.
With the benefit of hindsight, I believe that the expectation is that he should have prepared a passage plan for St PP to Cherbourg. This would have covered contingencies if he missed the tide at Alderney. If one of his planned options was to divert to Poole, then I think that BF would expect him to have submitted a pleasure craft report for a journey from St PP to Poole, with the expectation that he would cancel it if he made Cherbourg. That way, when he chose to divert North, he would have been fully documented and legal.
By the time he got back to UK waters without having completed the mandatory pre-trip reporting, he was in a bind, as he describes. Maybe the system should allow for that somehow? But maybe they don't want to encourage exceptions?
Back to the OP's situation.
With the benefit of hindsight, I believe that the expectation is that he should have prepared a passage plan for St PP to Cherbourg. This would have covered contingencies if he missed the tide at Alderney. If one of his planned options was to divert to Poole, then I think that BF would expect him to have submitted a pleasure craft report for a journey from St PP to Poole, with the expectation that he would cancel it if he made Cherbourg. That way, when he chose to divert North, he would have been fully documented and legal.
By the time he got back to UK waters without having completed the mandatory pre-trip reporting, he was in a bind, as he describes. Maybe the system should allow for that somehow? But maybe they don't want to encourage exceptions?
lustyd
Well-Known Member
None of those things are related to citizenship or visas, other than some visas requiring that you continue working. It’s entirely possible for a visa to expire while working or doing Uni at which point people are required to leave.
I quite like the diversion actually, thought i was going to learn something useful!
PWLS08
Active Member
I can't answer that with accuracy but NODUFF I was told (by someone who had done them) that they were considered to discriminate against minorities in their structure and the sort of answers they expected and that the was a bad thing.
Seven Spades
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I received an email today from the government suggesting that the log in to do the spcr is going to change and the impression I got was that we will need to create a new “verified” login so that they know who we are. I don’t know how they expect Jonny foreigner to complete an spcr because they are never likely to be able to create a verified login.
How you sign in to Tell Border Force and HMRC you are sailing to or from the UK in a pleasure craft is changing.
From 11 September 2025 you’ll need to sign in using GOV.UK One Login. You can create a GOV.UK One Login if you do not already have one.
How you sign in to Tell Border Force and HMRC you are sailing to or from the UK in a pleasure craft is changing.
From 11 September 2025 you’ll need to sign in using GOV.UK One Login. You can create a GOV.UK One Login if you do not already have one.
You can continue to sign in to the service as normal until 10 September 2025.
