Plane crash in the solent

[Silvercloud]

And a change of underwear perhaps

 

[stephen_h]

That would make a great storm parachute of the front of my cat

 

[Bojangles]

That's an incredible video, I wouldn't have believed that would have been possible, very clever and a great outcome for those onboard

 

[MrB]

out of idle curiosity, is there any video or simulation of how the thing works? I mean assuming you are doing some speed (dunno but guess over 100kph or 100mph??) and something turns sour, engine dies say.
You are still doing some reasonable speed (what say 70?) and you pull the chute. Thing goes off to the back, cutting speed, balancing the whole plane and slowly bring it down to a 4G hit (that's going to hurt a bit..)
Assuming you land on a field or something flattish, do you actually save the plane or is it a write-off?
sorry many Qs...

V.

Silvercloud will know the sequence for deploying the chute better than me but I personally would stall the plane first then deploy the chute to reduce the speed and stress on everything. I think they have fitted it (parachute) to the new Cirrus jet too. Nice to have.

 

[LittleSister]

The parachute is deployed by a rocket and the whole thing is stored in a small compartment behind the rear seats.
There is a roll cage built into the aircraft and the seats are specially designed to absorb the impact.

. . . and there's a packet of Hamlet cigars supplied in the glove compartment.

 

[Assassin]

. . . and there's a packet of Hamlet cigars supplied in the glove compartment.

What about the windproof lighter?

 

[LittleSister]

Informed review below of the evidence on the use and utility of these parachute systems on Cirrus planes.

One interesting finding is that these made little or no difference (perhaps even made things worse) in the early years, as pilots were leaving it too late to deploy them. Cirrus changed their training to encourage people to deploy them as soon as things got out of hand, rather than after they'd tried everything else.

 

[Silvercloud]

There is a training programme on chute deployment that Cirrus have in place and if you log on to the Cirrus site you can see it in action.
This must be a more recent action as when I did my transition training at the Cirrus factory in Duluth about 17 or 18 years ago there was just a fairly brief explanation of the process.
If the aircraft gets into a spin the chute deployment is the recovery option.
Yes the chutes are not always the answer but the fact remains that they have saved around 175 lives.
The danger with all these developments like chutes and "glass cockpits" is that they can give the pilot a false sense of security and tempt the more fool hardy pilot to fly in conditions they are not qualified or trained for.

 

[jrudge]

Silvercloud will know the sequence for deploying the chute better than me but I personally would stall the plane first then deploy the chute to reduce the speed and stress on everything. I think they have fitted it (parachute) to the new Cirrus jet too. Nice to have.

I would maybe slow down ( if there is a speed requirement ) but a stall. No! That would simply increase your rate of decent and the chute is there to do the opposite !

 

[Silvercloud]

From memory I think the max deployment speed is between 130-140 kts.

 

[LittleSister]

From memory I think the max deployment speed is between 130-140 kts.

But as the video I linked to shows, some have successfully deployed it at significantly higher speeds.

 

[Silvercloud]

Yes that right The stated speed is 130-140 kts but as you say there have been deployments at much higher speeds with no problems.
I guess its a case of pull the handle at any speed if all else fails.

 

[steeds]

I used to own and fly a Cirrus SR22 G2 N222SW and they are a great aircraft.
I kept mine a Rochester in Kent and could be in the sout of France in 3 hours.
The ballastic chute is a "last resort" option when there is no where to go after mechanical failure.
Many lives have been saved this way.

I'm on my boat right now in Rochester, kent, until recently I had a small day boat at medway bridge marina, had it there for years, you probably flew over me at some point. I have got to know quite a few of the planes that are up there especially that Harvard with its P&W lump, ooh I love that plane!

 

[Assassin]

Yes that right The stated speed is 130-140 kts but as you say there have been deployments at much higher speeds with no problems.
I guess its a case of pull the handle at any speed if all else fails.

This is due to the test ratings of everything, allow for deterioration, and the attachment methodologies and you have a deployment speed, this will also have a margin built into it so the deployment speeds can be much higher. In point of fact the largest issue is the attachment to the aircraft itself which is often the weakest point.

 

[Silvercloud]

Steeds
I have just purchased my Fairline Turbo 36 from some one at the Rochester Cruising Club and it is now up here in Norfolk.
I did most of my flight training and then several years of flying from Rochester so flew over the Medway many times

 

[MrB]

I would maybe slow down ( if there is a speed requirement ) but a stall. No! That would simply increase your rate of decent and the chute is there to do the opposite !

I meant to slow it down just before it stalled, as it starts to flutter, and pull the chute not when it had stalled fully that the wing is going over lol.

 

[nicho]

I have not flown a Cirrus, and the Archer I fly does not have a chute, but I believe the Cirrus chute can be pulled at normal cruising speed. - the chute is designed to open quite slowly until speed is safe for it to fully deploy. Watching various videos, that seems to be the case.

 

[Alfie168]

Three weeks before I did my parachute training course in 1975 a parachute got wrapped round the tail of a Cessna 182 at Ashbourne in Derbyshire on what I am led to believe was the last day of operation of the club which was being shut down because of noise objections. Nobody could get to the suspended parachutist and the aircraft was struggling for stability towing him around...then the suspended parachutist's reserve canopy popped and upended the aircraft. There were three in the aircraft, and the outside parachutist above the now descending aircraft.

When it impacted (nose down and semi inverted) the three in the aircraft suffered quite serious injury, but survived and made full recoveries. The student whose reserve they all came down on was relatively unhurt. Remember this is all suspended from a 24ft diameter small reserve canopy. The student went on to have a career in the RAF as a navigator/WO.

There is a somewhat grainy photo somewhere of the incident but I couldn't find a copy on line. Only the pilot qualified for a golden caterpillar badge as he had no parachute, and was the only occupant of the aircraft with no intention of jumping...but his life was saved by a parachute.

I think the cause was deemed to be excessive air speed at the point of exit from the aircraft (You stood on a step on the wheel and held the wing strut before release). When the apex of the canopy deployed from the static line deployment bag it whipped back and got wrapped round the tailplane.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Three weeks before I did my parachute training course in 1975 a parachute got wrapped round the tail of a Cessna 182 at Ashbourne in Derbyshire on what I am led to believe was the last day of operation of the club which was being shut down because of noise objections. Nobody could get to the suspended parachutist and the aircraft was struggling for stability towing him around...then the suspended parachutist's reserve canopy popped and upended the aircraft. There were three in the aircraft, and the outside parachutist above the now descending aircraft.

When it impacted (nose down and semi inverted) the three in the aircraft suffered quite serious injury, but survived and made full recoveries. The student whose reserve they all came down on was relatively unhurt. Remember this is all suspended from a 24ft diameter small reserve canopy. The student went on to have a career in the RAF as a navigator/WO.

There is a somewhat grainy photo somewhere of the incident but I couldn't find a copy on line. Only the pilot qualified for a golden caterpillar badge as he had no parachute, and was the only occupant of the aircraft with no intention of jumping...but his life was saved by a parachute.

I think the cause was deemed to be excessive air speed at the point of exit from the aircraft (You stood on a step on the wheel and held the wing strut before release). When the apex of the canopy deployed from the static line deployment bag it whipped back and got wrapped round the tailplane.

 

[Alfie168]

Article written by Charles Shea -Simmonds who was an old boy of my school and he did a display into our rugby field maybe around 1969-70..before square parrot shooting began.

So I was wrong about the cause he got hung up on the starboard wheel. I'd forgotten that bit obviously. That was October 75, I trained at Cark in the Lakes on 29/ 30th Nov 75 The day Graham Hill was killed.