morden
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does any one know where i can buy large rudder pintel & Gudgeon from,There seam to be quit a lot online but none with a 1/2''hole & 1/2'' pintel and both with a 2 1/2'' rudder fixing.
to fit a seawych
to fit a seawych
pintel & Gudgeon
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NickiCrutchfield
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You'll almost certainly have to have them made to size. Don't panic, if you use a decent, honest engineering company you will not pay stupid money for them.
PM me if you would like me to get a quote from my engineer. He knows his stuff and is very fair in his pricing. I would be happy to post them on to you.
Nicki
PM me if you would like me to get a quote from my engineer. He knows his stuff and is very fair in his pricing. I would be happy to post them on to you.
Nicki
VicS
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The Sea Wych rudder fittings were as you probably realise specially made. Unfortunately, although to the best of my knowledge no one has had trouble with the transom fittings, there have been a number of quite spectacular failures of the rudder pintle and gudgeon. One in heavy conditions on a channel crossing!
There appear to be several reasons. They were simply not strong enough. There was some inadequate welding and the fastenings, hidden inside the rudder stock, were mild steel. Must add though that mine still appear OK after 30 years.
The Owners Manual gives drawings for stronger replacement fittings which you can get made by a local fabricator of your choice and which can be securely through bolted to the outside of the rudder stock.
I'll now go and answer your question on the SWOA message board but if you need any additional advice you can contact me via the SWOA.
Roys rudder failure (40 miles from Guernsey IIRC )
There appear to be several reasons. They were simply not strong enough. There was some inadequate welding and the fastenings, hidden inside the rudder stock, were mild steel. Must add though that mine still appear OK after 30 years.
The Owners Manual gives drawings for stronger replacement fittings which you can get made by a local fabricator of your choice and which can be securely through bolted to the outside of the rudder stock.
I'll now go and answer your question on the SWOA message board but if you need any additional advice you can contact me via the SWOA.
Roys rudder failure (40 miles from Guernsey IIRC )
alan006
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
Got to agree with Nicki, I couldn't find any recently on the web so got them fabricated. There's loads of smaller ones about but not the larger ones. We helped a chap with a Halcyon 27 as when his yacht sat on the mud the rudder popped out and floated away. We made a completely new one for him with an extra....a strong lanyard to his transom so if it popped out it would not go far.
Got to agree with Nicki, I couldn't find any recently on the web so got them fabricated. There's loads of smaller ones about but not the larger ones. We helped a chap with a Halcyon 27 as when his yacht sat on the mud the rudder popped out and floated away. We made a completely new one for him with an extra....a strong lanyard to his transom so if it popped out it would not go far.
oldharry
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
Any transom hung rudder that can be lifted should have either a pin through the top pintle. or a collar with a locking screw to prevent it from being lifted off its mounts in the event of grounding etc.
Astonishing how rarely these are fitted even by reputable boatbuilders!
Any transom hung rudder that can be lifted should have either a pin through the top pintle. or a collar with a locking screw to prevent it from being lifted off its mounts in the event of grounding etc.
Astonishing how rarely these are fitted even by reputable boatbuilders!
cliffordpope
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
Do you want it to lift off, or take the whole weight of the boat and risk breaking something?
Do you want it to lift off, or take the whole weight of the boat and risk breaking something?
alan006
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
That's the way my mind worked.
The fittings didn't look strong enough to take the weight of the boat if she grounded in such a way that a lot of weight would end up on the rudder. I made a lanyard instead.
That's the way my mind worked.
The fittings didn't look strong enough to take the weight of the boat if she grounded in such a way that a lot of weight would end up on the rudder. I made a lanyard instead.
VicS
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
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The fittings didn't look strong enough to take the weight of the boat if she grounded in such a way that a lot of weight would end up on the rudder
[/ QUOTE ] If you are referring to the Sea Wych then you are right they are not. Lifting the rudder off in an accidental grounding is not normally a problem because it is a fair bit shallower than the keels. The greatest risk is loosing the rudder if the boat is left on a drying mooring specially on mud where the keels sink in. There is also a bit of a tendency for the boat to tip backwards although on a firm surface it is stable enough for two people to stand in the back of the cockpit.
The answers are to unship the rudder when moored, or anchored if the boat will dry, and to use a lanyard through a hole drilled through the stock and tiller thereby securing both.
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The fittings didn't look strong enough to take the weight of the boat if she grounded in such a way that a lot of weight would end up on the rudder
[/ QUOTE ] If you are referring to the Sea Wych then you are right they are not. Lifting the rudder off in an accidental grounding is not normally a problem because it is a fair bit shallower than the keels. The greatest risk is loosing the rudder if the boat is left on a drying mooring specially on mud where the keels sink in. There is also a bit of a tendency for the boat to tip backwards although on a firm surface it is stable enough for two people to stand in the back of the cockpit.
The answers are to unship the rudder when moored, or anchored if the boat will dry, and to use a lanyard through a hole drilled through the stock and tiller thereby securing both.
alan006
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Re: pintel & Gudgeon
I agree with you 100%.
The problem this chap had was that a friend of his used the boat who was not used to this type of boat and so did not realise the importance of unshipping the rudder after use.
An easy mistake to make.
I agree with you 100%.
The problem this chap had was that a friend of his used the boat who was not used to this type of boat and so did not realise the importance of unshipping the rudder after use.
An easy mistake to make.
morden
New Member
just realised you might not be able to get the pintel & gudgeon size from the owner web site if you need then i can e-mail then to you or the cpmpany
